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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 27, 2015 -> 01:16 PM) Jose Abreu originally signed a 6 year contract with the White Sox. That 6 years would cover enough service time for him to become a free agent normally. As it stands right now, Abreu is under contract with the White Sox for 4 more years. His salary for 2016 of $10 million is fully guaranteed. HOWEVER: Abreu has the right to opt out of that contract each year starting next year. If he opts out of that contract, he Does Not become a free agent; the White Sox retain his rights and would be able to offer him arbitration. Thus, if he opts out next offseason, the White Sox would still retain his rights for the next 3 seasons if they chose to offer arbitration each of those years. He would only become a free agent if the White Sox chose to non-tender him after one of those seasons. The reason Abreu would do that opt-out starting next year is that there's a good chance he will make more in arbitration next offseason than he would based on his current contract. It would sacrifice "job security" but someone would still offer him something close to what he's under contract for in whatever crazy scenario involving injury you can come up with. The White Sox have Abreu's rights for 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019. His salary in 2016 will be $10 million. Assuming he doesn't completely fail next year or get massively hurt, he will opt out of his deal and you can expect his salary to go up somewhat from that amount, probably closer to $14 million ish give or take in 2017, followed by moving upwards to >$20 million by 2019. He will then be a free agent after 2019, assuming no additional contracts are signed. Thanks, Balta!!

So Abreu is signed for two more years, right? He was signed out of Cuba and how does that affect his arbitration years? Wondering how the Abreu contract affects the Frazier and Lawrie trades and any future FA signings?

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 27, 2015 -> 11:51 AM) Not saying it's true, but if the Sox offer was straight up rejected and that's the end of the negotiations, then the Sox were likely just driving up the price all along. If true and it is down to the big two, I sure hope that Sox extra aggressive on either Upton or Cespedes.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 26, 2015 -> 07:08 PM) Then it also made no sense for them to acquire several guys who pencil in as a FA in 2 seasons. Because if they're going to acquire that guy, they need to win the division this year, and the FA market next year doesn't set them up to fill in any holes that develop. If they can't field a competitive team this year (and they can't), then that move again sets them up for continued long-term failure. I agree the Sox need to acquire the big bat this season. Even with Frazier and Lawrie we may be more competitive BUT they need that big bat now to win in 2016!

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Dec 24, 2015 -> 12:55 PM) You could start a poll for "the worst part of Rogers" "the worst part of Rogers" is that he is Rogers! He's so full of it!!

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 24, 2015 -> 10:10 AM) If you were manufacturing the shirt and had to choose only four, which team would you eliminate that would give you more profit with the Sox logo substituted for...? Honestly, if I were in sales and trying to maximize profits my decision would be to put all across the front. I guess you wouldn't? ?

Sorry, but I had to put this post here to make sure everyone saw it. I just received a post on my Facebook page. A company is selling a sweatshirt with the Chicago skyline in the background. The title is Chicago Pride. Across the front are the logos of the Bears, Bulls, Hawks and cubs. Yea, Sox get no respect in this town.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 07:45 PM) I just read something that he wants $20 for at least 5 years. I'm leery of tying up at high salaries for any of these guys more than 3 or so years. I'd rather not do a contract like that for Gordon but, for one of the other two RH will have to.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 05:37 PM) and you got a point, yrs from now, as the players get older, who know how they will preformed. but for me, before the sox get to that point, they really need to get thru this rebuilding of sorts. If we want to call it a rebuilding then we are one power hitting OF away from what could be a very good team. 2016 could be a very exciting season. We need that power hitting OF.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 09:28 AM) If LaRoche is in the middle of the order, it means he is back to the guy who the Sox thought they signed. or that Ventura is still the guy making out the lineup

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 04:41 PM) I also think he will age well. He has a good eye, he makes good contact. He will decline to a .720 OPS player at that age? It's not ideal but I think all of us are also assuming 16-18 mill not $20 mill, and I imagine by 2021 $18 million will be a 1.5 War player With all of the good talk on this Gordon thread I'm beginning to be sold even on him. Go Sox!

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 02:55 PM) He is 32 yr old at 20 mil a year pass. At that price, for Gordon, I pass too and try to sign Upton.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 12:13 PM) I go back and forth with who of the three I rather have. Each guy brings a different skill set or attributes that this team lacks and needs. Quite honestly I would be over the moon if we sign any of them. If we do sign one of these guys I think it instantly makes us a better team. Between the Fraizer and Lawrie acquisitions and the FA signings we made last year that didn't quite pan out, but I really do think bounce back for us in '16, makes us contenders next season. I just don't know if we will sign any of them, it's not really our MO, however I think the market has made it impossible for us not to consider seriously. I will say that my personal disappointment along with this boards disappointment if we end up striking out on all three would be a site to see after all this build of over the last two weeks or so on this board about the big three. I agree 100%. One of the three have to be signed or, as you have said, with already the acquisition of both Frazier and Lawrie doing no more would be extremely disappointing.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 11:31 AM) Not since late Sunday. Down to CWS & KC. Still think it happens Tom or Thu but suppose could go on a few more days. https://mobile.twitter.com/royalsclubhouse/...347882843967488 This guy seems to think it's between us and KC but his freshest info came from Sunday so who knows. I'm just getting so impatient, just want to know if we really are going to sign one of these three. Personally, I would still like to see the Sox sign Upton or Cespedes. Yes, a Gordon contract would be less $$ but, at age 32 I worry. I'd also like to see a little more power in the lineup although I realize Gordon would add defense, to a team badly in need of it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 11:56 AM) Heck no, be nice to see Gordon go to Giants or Cardinals or Orioles....KC won't be a player for Upton/Cespedes Will the Sox be a player for Upton or Cespedes? After the addition of Frazier I really hope so. Make it happen RH.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 11:24 AM) It's interesting that Upton was a better hitter in that big San Diego Park, than he was on the road. He had more homers and more doubles. You would have thought that his average and doubles might have been better, because of the big alleys, as indeed they were. but, he was simply better in all phases of his offense, away from PetCo Park. More homers, better average and OBP. Everything. Go figure!! I wonder how he'll like hitting in the Cell. I still worry about that cold Spring weather, but he would probably love it there, the rest of the season. I hope that will be one of my worries next spring, if that is a worry at all. But, I hope to see Upton's name on the roster soon.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 06:49 AM) i am soo conflicted on this. would the fans come out, if the sox does nothing else to fix the pieces of the team???? i wish i can really come up with a answer, but my gut tell me maybe. i think that the sox will make a serious run in the al central, but would the fans pay for that and that alone?? i really think the fans are smart enuf to know, the team needs a game breaking of'er. Yes, the last big move has to be for that power hitting OF. I know some like Cespedes and I like Upton. I would be much happier with the acquisition of either. I hope one or the other happens.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 19, 2015 -> 11:11 AM) He seems pretty certain the White Sox can just so easily bump payroll up to the $140-145 million mark because that's what it will require for the Big Three. The problem for Hahn at this point is a quieter move like Parra, Austin Jackson, Fowler, Denorfia, Snider, etc., isn't going to move the meter enough...especially with Saladino at SS and EJ and Danks at the back end. Minus a huge resurgence from LaRoche, Avi and Cabrera, the offense is still one player short. Optimistically, let's say they put up a surprise contending season...like 2012...but most fans aren't going to buy in until they're 100% convinced at midseason the White Sox are really going for it. If we don't sign one of those three, it's going to be sort of a half measure. Especially if some of those big names end up on divisional rivals' rosters instead. And the only real pieces they have to move of value in Robertson, Anderson and Fulmer can't be moved for the likes of an Ozuna, CarGo or Puig...or can they? Right now, if there's a hard limit at $119-122 million, he's stuck between a rock and a hard place. Yes! That big power hitting outfielder is still missing. Better go all the way!

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 11:43 PM) Worse than Avi? Here's a gif of Avi playing RF last season, I ripped from mlb.tv: Thank you! I really needed a good laugh today!

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 18, 2015 -> 11:37 AM) Trading Robertson greatly weakens the bullpen. I'd keep him unless someone bowls you over. I agree. I really like Robertson as our closer.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 10:45 AM) How pissed will you all be when we sign Fowler. Where have you seen anything that links the Sox to a Fowler signing or White Sox interest in Fowler?

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 09:30 AM) Can't get that link to work..someone who can please summarize what RH says! Thanks! I would rather have someone summarize than listen to the WSCR goofs! I don't do WSCR anymore!

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 07:16 PM) Everyone wants to play for Joe Maddon. That is why Theo has only had to shell out about $400 million for Heyward, Lester, Zobrist, and Lackey. A steal. Love it! That's telling it like it is!!

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 06:03 PM) I can't believe Fernandez coming of TJ and a not so good recovery is going to get such a massive haul. I still think Sox, even with this trade, may be better with trading Quintana, faster. Did Fernandez have a problem coming back from TJ surgery? I checked his stats from this year and if he came off the DL in July he was pretty good. 64 IP 2.92 ERA 79 k's. Am I mixing him up with someone else?

QUOTE (Saufley @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 02:45 PM) Upton, Frazier or both? Coming down from the high of yesterday and feeling bummed today. Wish the Sox would make a move! Back on the high! Half way done! Upton next! Thank you White Sox!