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QUOTE(shawnhillegas @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 07:16 AM) Threw inside to Blalock, not at him. If Blalock can hit it, it doesnt count. If you have mlb.tv, go back and watch it again. Go to about 1:53:40 into it. Watch that first pitch from Tracey again, and tell me he wasn't throwing at him....that was NOT just an inside pitch. The intent was there. I would show the screenshot from mlb.tv myself if I thought it was legal.

Thing is BD, had Javy retaliated right away, and he says he knew it was intentional the first time, then its all a moot point. This falls on Vasquez's shoulders, not Tracey. Ozzies anger was harshly misplaced.

That Gnarls Barkley performance at the MTV Video Awards is a classic now IMO. Anyone that hasn't seen it should check it out.

Just to reiterate, for the 4 MILLIONTH time...Tracey threw at Blaylock not once, but TWICE. The fault here is on Vasquez, NOT Tracey...but instead, Ozzie rips into Tracey in plain view...its bushleague.

If, like Javy said, he "knew" that they hit AJ on purpose the first time, then by god he better damn well return the favor right away, before warnings get fired off. Don't use some ex post facto bulls*** about "Yeah, I knew they were throwing at AJ." Man up already and retaliate, jeez.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 02:16 AM) Based on this logic, maybe the entire team should of watched AJ get decked by Barrett and did nothing. The idea of whether or not to plunk a ranger shouldnt be even debated. Its part of the game. The question of who should of plunked him, after vazquez pussed out is another story. I'm not saying we shouldn't have retaliated ssi...was moreso a smartass resposne back at mr. genius. Don't think he got the jist of what DBAH0 was saying...trust me, I wanted Javy to plant a ball in someones back.

Rollin Wit' Saget

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 02:10 AM) uh, if hitting one guy is going to cost you an entire game you weren't going to win it anyways. Maybe he meant if you hit someone, and get one of your guys suspended, it can cost you games and such...

Roles IMO shoulda been reversed there if Vasquez isnt gonna sack up and do his own dirty work. Then make Montero come in and do it, Tracey is the better pitcher of the 2.

QUOTE(whitesoxin @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 01:48 AM) I don't know why it took my so long to discover the greatness that is the Daily Show. Meh. Daily Show with Craig Kilborn >>> Daily Show with Jon Stewart. But I'm not politically based at ALL, so that would make alot of sense.

QUOTE(Jimbo @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 01:48 AM) my football coach would have kicked my ass if i did not listen to him...tracey looks like garbage here, Adkins threw at the orioles last year when instructed. give me farnsworth or someone who can work as part of a team. My god guys...Tracey THREW AT BLAYLOCK TWICE. Don't put a rook in to do that, one with suspect control...but looking at our pen, we don't really have 'veterans' in there, unless you wanna get Cotts or BMac suspended. No thanks. Was a lose-lose situation that could have been EASILY handled had Vasquez manned up and did his job IMMEDIATELY after AJ gets hit the 2nd time.

I don't believe that for 1 second honestly....Tracey was getting some serious heat from Ozzie. It had NOTHING to do with Montero being ready or not, theres ALWAYS a way to slow the game down enough to give a warming pitcher time. Nice try Ozzie.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 01:31 AM) Is Tracey getting sent down because of this. No. Pollite will be coming off the DL, and Tracey was brought up to replace Politte. He goes down. No because of this. Oh c'mon man. You know he is getting sent down for this alone. Politte won't be off the DL until the 20th at the earliest. So we're gonna run 5 days short 1 pitcher if thats the case.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 12:44 AM) A wisdom tooth is coming through. One less that will need to be cut out.

We needed "Angry Politte" to make an emergency appearance, magically off the DL, to hit Blaylock!! Seriously though, you don't put a wild-control rook in to do your dirty work. Sorry, Ozzie is wrong here. Then scar him further by taking your frustration out on him in the dugout in front of his teammates, THEN send him to Charlotte right after....I'd expect that type behavior from Phil Garner or someone.

If thats true, thats a very Bushleague thing to do Ozzie..my god.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 12:57 AM) i didn't see the game so Tracey was supposed to throw at someone and didn't? f*** him if thats the case... thats total bulls*** on his b**** ass part. Um, is that necessary at all?

and 28-6 OUTSIDE of the shoebox in Charlotte..thats mui impressive.

And Tracey, a kid with a lack of control to put it nicely, attempted to do that job...he threw at Blaylock not once, but TWICE. If he goes out there, and makes no efforts to do what Guillen wanted, then yeah, I certainly agree with DirtySox, but thats not the case.

I understand what Oz was trying to do...but c'mon man...I think Guillen's agitation with Tracey was a bit overboard.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Jun 14, 2006 -> 02:34 PM) And replace him with who? Ozuna, who doesn't play LF well and whose OBP will be lower? Fields, who hasn't played LF at all and hasn't seen major-league pitching yet? If Pods fails to put up a .350 OBP and steals less than 30 bases this year (or has significat groin poblems again), I'm all for looking for an alternative. But he currently has a .344 OBP, has already swiped 21 bags, and his healthy, so I don't think that's going to happen. There's no point in replacing him with an inferior player. How long are we gonna cling to that OBP as an argument for how good Pods is doing? Check those June numbers...check that OBP so far. Look at who we've played in June. This month, Pittsburgh is really the only bad team we play. We are playing all quality teams, and Pods has all but disappeared. Now a .247 BA with a .343 OBP for our glorious leadoff hitter. Check his OBP against other leadoff hitters in the league...actually, I'll tell you how he ranks..Pods ranks 9th out of 14 regular leadoff hitters in OBP. That would almost be acceptable if he had any skills at all in the outfield. But lets not forget his horrid throwing arm, and terrible reads he gets going to his right. Pods is not that good of a player, period.

2...2....2 quotes and responses in 1!! I'm pretty sure Montero didn't help the pen out too much today...

The gamethreads would be so much better if people didn't automatically start heated s***-slinging with other posters as soon as the team does something less than stellar. Seriously, no need for it. Can't we all just bag on Pods and his awesome leadoff hitter capabilities instead?

Montero rocks.

You're kidding yourself if you don't think Ozzie only brought in Tracey to hit Blaylock. It was painfully obvious. Ozzie was riding the kid way too hard IMO after he pulled him though. The kid tried to hit Blaylock twice, Hank moved....its part of the game.