I am of the opinion that he never was on joice. to me, he didnt appear a lot smaller like SamMe did. he still looks the same. and if anyone saw the article on his off season workout and nutritional plan in Muscle And Fitness, you would realize that he puts in a lot of hard f***ing work to get to where he is now. The guy is a work out warrior. Just because someone is big, doesnt mean they take roids. i have seen and met a lot of natural body builders that are pretty damn big.