Dick Allen

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ May 5, 2015 -> 10:45 AM) I dont think its the only reason the players respect him, but its part of it. The guy works his ass off to an extent that is crazy even for coaches and the track record he has of maximizing every ounce of defense out of every player gets a lot of guys paid. Plus, and Thibs has said this much, there's been a lot of adversity around the Bulls for the last 3 years and he's handled like a pro every step of the way. I have heard it mentioned many times that Thibs loves his players. When they know that, you will get it right back.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 5, 2015 -> 09:29 AM) Gee, that's probably because Frank Thomas was out with an achilles' problem, Wells was out for nearly the whole season....Jose Canseco was playing regularly and we were breaking in like 8 rookie or 2nd year pitchers. But totally similar situation with 2015...if you consider it wasn't anything alike. And the example given was a team that didn't come close to making the playoffs. The Indians that year were starting to show their age and the Twins were the huge surprise out of the gate. You didn't have a four time AL Central Division team with a huge payroll and the best hitter in baseball, as well as the team that came one out and Madison Bumgarner away from winning the World Series. Gee, guess what, they came back without Frank Thomas and without David Wells. They were 15 games out on May 25th. 4 weeks later they were 8 out. I guess Detroit is in no danger of showing its age. And for all the Madison Bumgarner away from a WS, they were also an unlikely 4 run come back in the 8th inning of the wild card game from us ever having to hear how a team that had not made the playoffs for 30 years is now the model all teams should follow. The Royals haven't won squat. And the example was a team that finished 2 games out of the playoffs if they were determined like they are today. And the example was 14-29 vs. 8-14. That would be another 6-15 stretch to tie. There is no doubt in my mind you prefer White Sox losses to wins.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 5, 2015 -> 09:13 AM) Basically all of this does the exact same error you said you can't do a moment ago. And no, neither Coop nor Steverson are good candidates to replace this manager and I am genuinely starting to wonder based on the starting rotation if Coop's methods are tiring out in this city. However, how can you put heat on the pitching coach? As you said, "the bullpen is nails and that's 100% not going to change" so that's clearly a huge success for the pitching coach right? I am not suggesting firing anybody. I have suggested the White Sox ride out the storm. I am actually one of the dopes that thinks 140 games is enough to get things turned around. I pointed out the 2001 White Sox .They started out 8-19, and at one point were 14-29. They still won 83 games. Jerry Manuel didn't get fired.

I think the layoff hurt the Cavs a bit. Is it just me or does LeBron seem a bit sluggish on the court these days? Obviously he is bigger and stronger than most, but I think his athleticism has fallen off a bit. MJ was able to weather that storm for quite a while. Maybe it was just Butler's defense.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 5, 2015 -> 08:50 AM) Um...So based on your statement, declaring that the bullpen is "nails" is a very dicey statement as well because all it takes is 1 bad outing for that to no longer be true? No, the bullpen is nails. When Scott Carroll gets lit up pitching as the long man his 3rd game in about a week, that really doesn't count in a 13-3 game. The bullpen is beyond fine. I know, White Sox fans are supposed to say everything and everyone suck. I think the focus should be why does Chris Sale and Jeff Samardizasaaa give up a combined 17 runs in their last starts? And why is scoring 3 runs considered an offensive explosion? Soxtalk gets its targets and never lets go. If the offense was this bad 4 years ago, it wasn't the manager who had to get fired, it wasn't the front office that was so stupid, it was clearly the hitting coach being bad at his job. Now, the starters all suck. Any heat on the pitching coach? The offense is as bad as it's been for decades. Any heat on the hitting coach? In fact, I have seen both mentioned as replacements for the current manager. The White Sox will get better. Some won't agree, but that's OK. Many of them prefer losing anyway.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 5, 2015 -> 08:33 AM) Just like fangraphs is currently saying the odds of winning the division are 2% and odds of making it as a wildcard are 3%. (On the plus side, we're still rated ahead of Minnesota somehow, despite this past weekend, and Texas). You have Dave Cameron and sportswriters/media now speculating about Ventura's job status and dealing Samardzija and Ramirez. If the season isn't close to being over, you're not very familiar with poor White Sox starts that ended in the playoffs outside of 1983, when there were fewer teams to pass in the AL West (3 versus 4). You also said "this bullpen is nails!" Which one is closer to being accurate, the White Sox will miss the playoffs for the 8th consecutive season or the bullpen will finish in the Top 3-5 in the AL in any statistical category you care to choose (ERA, WHIP, FIP, etc.) When will you ever realize, Dave Cameron's opinion, and sportswriters opinions, and message board posters opinions don't factor into personnel and managerial decisons. The bullpen is nails. You get so caught up in stats 22 games in, where one or 2 outings, especially in games that have already been decided, warp overall numbers. If the season is over like you proclaimed weeks ago, whoever is managing doesn't matter. So quit crying about it. They don't listen to you anyway or they would have traded for Homer Bailey by now.

Figures it will be about 50 degrees tonight, but the Sox have their top 3 going. A sweep would be great, but 2 out of 3 real nice.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 5, 2015 -> 04:36 AM) http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/71/...stand-white-sox On Monday, fans already were calling for a managerial change. The Sox’ front office was not a happy place Monday, but firing Ventura isn’t likely under chairman Jerry Reinsdorf’s watch, the big-league executive said. ‘‘[Adam] LaRoche, [Alexei] Ramirez, Eaton, [Jose] Abreu, [John] Danks, Sale and Samardzija need to pick it up,’’ he said. ‘‘There is no way Jerry Reinsdorf is going to fire Robin Ventura. He’s too loyal.’’ Great, we're probably headed for a "lame duck," lost season. If nothing else, a new manager when the team is psychologically out of the race could at least give the front office a better read on how the team will perform going forward...how much of it is lack of talent/aging veterans and how much of it is attributable to some other variable or "human factor." LOL. You said the season was over 3 weeks ago.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 4, 2015 -> 02:57 PM) Better question is what has Hahn put on the field to not show that he sucks at his job? I absolutely don't think he sucks, but so far, the results under his tenure have been terrible with very little progress being shown in multiple areas. 63-99 73-89 8-14 since he was named GM. Yet, for some reason, with no inside knowledge, he can do no wrong, and everyone else can do nothing right. I absolutely agree with you.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 4, 2015 -> 02:49 PM) What has KW done since 2005 that makes him NOT SUCK? I am no fan of KW, but there was the drafting of Chris Sale, and the signing of Jose Abreu. Alexei Ramirez. They did make the playoff in 2008. When you get rattled, your hyperbole machine goes full blast and gets even more inaccurate than usual.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ May 4, 2015 -> 02:38 PM) And you should too. From the encroaching darkness heroes emerge. Let KC and Detroit have their April, for our Summer of the Sox hasn't even begun. Only 140 left. But I'm with you.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ May 4, 2015 -> 02:37 PM) What are you digging at? What do you want me to admit? That I speculated about KW's influence? Again, I continue to be suprised that you are a mod here. I have been nothing but cordial to you for weeks and you insulted me for no reason after 8 pages of good discussion and then when I answer you you continue to dig at....what exactly? I have no f***ing idea who runs this club at the end of the day. Neither does anyone here unless they are JR or his family. Given that, we can only surmise and use induction. I have surmised that Micah over Sanchez was KW. Why? Because KW has drafted a million Micah's and not a single one has ever panned out. The move reeks of his scouting stereotype hard on -- a track star on the baseball field. Kind of like Emilio Bonifacio.

Free agent or trade acquistion hasn't worked out.....blame KW Secondbaseman throws a DP ball into LF....blame Robin Now that's the "accountablility" people have posted about for years.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 4, 2015 -> 12:40 PM) if these guys like Robin as much as they say they do, they had better start to figure things out quickly. Eventually fan response at the gate will dictate a change is needed. In this , the 35th season Jerry Reinsdorf has owned the White Sox, please tell me when attendance determined a manager's fate.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 4, 2015 -> 12:26 PM) Its really surprising no one wasted a 7th on him. His agent told teams after the 3rd round that if they drafted him, he would not sign, and thus be eligible for the 2016 draft. Now he isn't eligible. Each team has something like an $88,000 pool of bonus money to give their UDFA. He will lose some bonus money, assuming he is cleared of any wrongdoing, but in return, he gets to pick his spot.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 4, 2015 -> 12:22 PM) I don't think his point is that the team is this bad, but rather that the team has dug themselves into a hole that requires an exceptional performance to get out of, and that he doesn't think the team is capable of such a performance. That's a reasonable claim, I think. I mean obviously all of us are going to hold out for a magic run because, as you said, it's not reasonable to expect ALL of our players to blow this hard, but his larger game theory point is an interesting one: if you think you're out of it, do you take advantage of the small market and sell early? Then why isn't he saying the AL West race is over. The 2001 White Sox, after losing Frank Thomas and David Wells, finished the season 83-79 with Jerry Manuel at the helm. On May 5th, they were 8-19 11.5 games out. Granted they didn't win, if they playoffs were set up then like they are now, they missed by 2 games, but too much is made out of this doom and gloom.

Considering Cameron pretty much runs fangraphs which likes to mention sample size from time to time, I find it odd he can come to total conclusions based on 24 games of role player performance.

This guy gave the White Sox an 8% chance to begin with and now feels the need to pat himself on the back. There is no question the team has been terrible, but as I pointed out yesterday, during the course of a 6 month season, stretches where you lose like this happens to just about everyone. And I would guess if you looked at numbers during these stretches, players numbers are generally awful. I looked and Detroit and KC last year, the 2 teams that made the playoffs. Detroit had a 7-17 stretch, KC had a 9-17 stretch. The 2005 White Sox had a 5-12 stretch and a 7-12 stretch. If the team truly is as bad as they are playing, they have no chance anyway. But to think a team that hasn't homered in almost 2 weeks and has 1 starter with an ERA below 5.00 is what it is, well, I don't agree.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 4, 2015 -> 09:14 AM) My opinion is that yours is wrong. Right.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 4, 2015 -> 09:02 AM) Ooh, I know the answer! It is a far more mature reason than the reason for this BS post.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 4, 2015 -> 09:06 AM) Counsell was being groomed for a spot ever since he retired. If we hire another high school volunteer, I imagine people will indeed be pissed. If we hire Dave Martinez I don't think they will be. Robin was working for the White Sox when he was hired. It is amazing being "groomed" for the position didn't include actually coaching or managing, and included letting him interview to be Boston's hitting coach and Tampa Bay's manager. Just more of the grass is greener.....

QUOTE (flavum @ May 4, 2015 -> 09:01 AM) Fans venting about an under-performing team is what you're going to get from any fan base. I don't think anyone is coming off like they have all of the answers. It seems like people here bother you more than the Sox. Which I would have to ask, why do you post here if it bothers you so much? No one is coming off like they have all the answers? Really?

QUOTE (flavum @ May 4, 2015 -> 08:50 AM) Just pulling the pins from the grenades, huh? All these threads are much to do about nothing because Ventura isn't getting fired any time soon, but if he was replaced by a guy with no experience, all the experts here, who have all the answers, would be complaining even more.

QUOTE (oldsox @ May 4, 2015 -> 07:49 AM) On the subject of ineffective Managers, the Brewers just fired Ron Roenicke. And replaced him with someone with zero managerial or coaching experience. A Soxtalk no no. The only people who know how to manage a baseball team with no managerial or coaching experience are people who post on message boards.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 4, 2015 -> 08:12 AM) I feel like this is a lot more of Hahn's team then people want to admit. Kenny is the boogeyman to this board. It's gone from slurping Hahn during the winter, praising every move, to now every move has KW's fingerprints on it, he has to go. While I do agree he should go to at least make it appear Hahn is the actual GM, Hahn is now the Don Cooper of White Sox executives. Nothing he does is bad, only good. If bad occurs, it has nothing to do with him. If Hahn totally disagreed with the moves being made, I am sure he could put up a stink, and ultimately find another job pretty easily. I also don't think the winter moves were bad, and ultimately the White Sox will play better, hopefully starting tomorrow.