Dick Allen

QUOTE (bmags @ May 13, 2014 -> 02:20 PM) Most chilling line of that article: Average age of the Tommy John surgery for this years injured: 24.2. Andrews said he used to do the surgery on 3 or 4 HS kids a year. Now he does 3 or 4 a week.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 13, 2014 -> 02:25 PM) More accurately, Leury Garcia is just as much a .216/.275/.297 (56 wRC+) hitter as Marcus Semien is a .220/.286./.348 (73 wRC+) hitter. Semien was the better choice, but not because of his 2014 clutch hits. Actually, coming into that AB Garcia .222/.282/.306 Semien .220/.286/.348 vs. LHP Garcia .357/.357/.571 Semien .250/.313/.432

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 13, 2014 -> 02:11 PM) Your capacity to misunderstand (or at least pretend to misunderstand) the difference between "no such thing" and "not predictive" is baffling. If you don't believe something, fine, but stop misrepresenting what others say by twisting arguments into dumbed-down nonsense. Oh I'm sorry, I mistated. Leury Garcia, because he is a major leaguer, is just as much a "clutch hitter' as anyone else in his hitting class, which if you go by the numbers, includes what was available on the White Sox bench last night.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ May 13, 2014 -> 01:45 PM) But from all accounts, Rodon has just as many if not more concerns from how hard he throws coupled with the amount of sliders he throws and how he has been handled, Aiken would be the only one of the three that would be worth a shot. Every draft is a gamble. I would look at something else other than Kolek too, but mostly because I think he will be a RP in the majors, and I think there are other guys that would provide more value. But you can't really just disqualify him because he might get hurt, because the same thing can happen to any other player you select. Rodon is older. They pitch once a week. Frankly from what I've read, Kolek might not get hurt, he will get hurt. That's why I wouldn't take him with #3. If I was drafting a little lower in the first round, then maybe I would take a shot, but the Sox cannot miss with this pick. To me Kolek is like a 100 lb. overweight chainsmoker with high blood pressure and a family history of heart disease delaying taking his social security until he's 70. Sure, it might pay off, but it is probably not wise to think it will. There will be a future star available when they pick.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 13, 2014 -> 01:54 PM) That's really your argument? Can we say limited sample size? I'm guessing most of those lefties didn't have nearly the stuff that Doolittle does. Nor were those situations where he came up against lefties anything like the most important at-bat of the game, they were at garbage time (primarily). I can do the same thing, lol. RHP vs. LHP (650 projected PA) | Leury Garcia PA AB R HR RBI SB AVG OBP SLG OPS $ vs. RHP 650 599 61 6 50 34 0.225 0.271 0.308 0.579 4.0 vs. LHP 650 615 58 5 50 24 0.236 0.271 0.307 0.578 -0.5 It's not like the time he refused to walk Sal Perez in order to go after Moustakas, who was in the worst hitters in MLB at that time, but it wasn't one of his better decisions, either. Anyone who hit in that situation would have been limited sample size. Semien has had some big clutch hits, but I was told there really is no such thing, it's just random, and he strikes out a ton anyway. Sierra, another name you mentioned, was acquired on waivers. Why do teams place really good hitters on waivers? Oh yeah, they don't. It is amazing how every little part of the game is picked apart when the team loses. Especially considering many of the people picking each game apart seem to think the Sox have very little chance to be very good anyway, yet if you read a game thread, if some posters here were managing, the Sox would be very close to being undefeated, so apparently this is an unbelievalbly talented team.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ May 13, 2014 -> 01:14 PM) If you don't have a leadoff hitter then put whoever gets on base the most up there.. Garcia, De Aza, and Beckham are not those. So Adam Dunn should lead off. Gotcha.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 13, 2014 -> 01:37 PM) I still don't understand, today, why you wouldn't prefer to have either Semien or Sierra hitting there (yes, I understand he already pinch ran, but that was completely unnecessary to take Dunn out at that moment as he wasn't even the tying run...Ramirez was, and he was able to steal 2nd on his own)? Are you telling me that you can't read the back of their baseball cards or simply go to thebaseballcube.com? If Semien's now expected to strike out when he came into the season as your system's best combination of patience and relatively decent/high contact rates, what does it say that he has already fallen so low in the eyes of the manager in terms of trustworthiness, even though he's had huge hits at least 4-5 times already this year in similar situations? Sigh. If you are supposed to look at the back of their baseball cards, how come you didn't do it? Leury was hitting .357 vs. LHP with 3 doubles when he went to the plate.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 13, 2014 -> 01:15 PM) Is there anyone who still believes Ventura is going to be the one who leads the White Sox to their next playoff appearance? Yes. He isn't going anywhere, and I put up $5k when you said any amount of money. I'd go higher if you would like.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ May 13, 2014 -> 01:16 PM) We should draft safe like McCulloch or Broadway. No one is suggesting that, but if Kolek was the one left standing, if it were me calling the shots, I would definitely consider a hitter, if there were no other pitchers worthy of the #3 pick. He seems destined to be hurt. It sounds crazy, but he throws too hard at this stage. I would want Rodon. I'd probably take Aiken. At least he took the winter off.

The problem is when Eaton is out, the Sox don't really have a leadoff hitter on their roster. So no matter who is there, when a game is lost and the guy leading off doesn't have a good game, Robin is an idiot.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2014 -> 10:26 AM) Only one of those three teams had a top 10 pick during that time frame. Incorrect. Beckham was a top 10 pick. But all 3 are just because of 4 players, Harper, Strasburg who both were #1. Storen and Crowe were top 10s with the Nationals. Trout and Sale make up the majority of WAR for the other teams. Sale, Beckham and Hudson are the only White Sox draft picks in that time frame with WARs higher than Jake Petricka's 1.3. Besides Sale, and Beckham (who if I praise you accuse me of trolling) and Hudson, the collective WAR of the rest of the Sox draft picks in those 3 drafts is barely 3.0.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ May 13, 2014 -> 11:13 AM) So we should take nobody? Yes. Just pass on the draft.

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 11, 2014 -> 11:09 PM) @jonmorosi: #Nats, #Angels, #WhiteSox had next-best draft classes during same 3-year period of '08-'10; all are above 30.0 WAR. One player (Sale) makes all the difference. It is why the Sox shouldn't go cheap with pick #3 and pick their top player available, even if it costs them more than they were hoping.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 13, 2014 -> 10:02 AM) And now you can play the fun game of listing 30+ names who have had Tommy John Surgery in the last couple months and saying you should be wary of drafting any pitchers while you're at it. Read this. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/news/...on-taillon/#all http://www.espn.go.com/blog/high-school/ba...alks-tommy-john

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ May 13, 2014 -> 08:59 AM) I don't think Semien would have swung at a pitch above his head. The worst hitter on the 25 got the most AB's. You're all ours, RV. Yes, no way Semien strikes out. Leury was only 5-14 with 3 doubles vs. LHP up until that point. Obviously he should have been pulled. Anyone can see that.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 13, 2014 -> 12:19 AM) I would be willing to bet about any amount of money that Ventura's not the manager the next time the White Sox manage to reach the playoffs. OK. How about $5k?

The story of Texas HS phenom Todd Van Poppel. Better than Nolan Ryan. Better than Roger Clemens. He did the Braves a favor saying he wouldn't sign. They had to draft Chipper Jones instead. No matter how hard these HS phenoms throw, there is great danger. A lot bigger chance they are Todd Van Poppel than Dwight Gooden without the crack rock. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/art...801/5/index.htm

QUOTE (bmags @ May 12, 2014 -> 02:11 PM) I would never, ever go to a game if it were in sw suburbs. I love where sox stadium is. It has 2 major CTA train lines. It is right off of a major highway. It also has metra stops directly along it's route. I understand the criticism of "not enough stuff to do around park" but if it's that the stadium is hard to get to you aren't going to fix that going to the suburbs. That is interesting. What exactly is there to do in Addison after games?

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ May 12, 2014 -> 02:03 PM) I gave mine away, but then, I also think that those tickets were not included in paid attendance totals. They are not, but still, they are free and people don't use them. Maybe we shouldn't be surprised. I know I would be more apt to eat a ticket I paid nothing for than for one I spent a lot of money. You have to price tickets at some price point people think there is value. I was reading an article about pricing beer, and one thing that was said was if you priced it too low, people wouldn't buy it. I've probably gone to 10 games so far this season, and it's easy for me as I live a couple of blocks from the Red Line and it's about 20 minutes until I'm in the park. But there are times, even when the team is good, as much as I love going to games, I just don't want to commit the time, and my time is certainly a lot less than most.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 12, 2014 -> 01:41 PM) They gave away free tickets just for filling out a simple online survey. It would be interesting to see how many people on this site got those free tickets and didn't use them.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ May 12, 2014 -> 01:31 PM) Unfortunatly I don't have the Hawks timeline for success etched in my brain. Not sure when the old man died and Rocky took over along with the arrivals of Kane and Toews along with the shrewd marketing of the team. Everything came together in a short amount of time. At least the Hawks never changed their uni's a billion times. The point is they still really kiss the fans asses and the Sox could be better at that. I think they have. They lowered prices, even parking on Sundays. They changed the color of the seats. The problem is, no matter what the Sox do at that end, there will always be something else an average White Sox fan will complain about. The only thing that will work is consistently good teams. Unlike the Cubs, Bears and the Bulls after Michael Jordan, they cannot sustain high attendance with mediocre performance. If the Hawks win another Cup or 2, they may be in the same boat, at least for a while.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 12, 2014 -> 12:38 PM) If we assume Abreu and Eaton are for real and that Garcia bounces back fully from surgery, I'd have no problem at all moving Viciedo and getting a defense/speed guy to slot in to LF. But wouldn't you have no problem if the Sox traded Viciedo for a new churro making machinge?

If you want to save some money, go to whitesox.com and the tickets link. They have the k-zone, Sox save of the week.... all their deals are there to see. White Sox tickets can be very expensive. Ridiculously expensive. But they also can be cheaper than the Kane County Cougars.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 12, 2014 -> 12:31 PM) And what are they doing when he's on the DL? Serious question. Still continuing when it's his spot in the rotation? How would a fan know? If you go to the link on the White Sox website, it will tell you what days he is scheduled to pitch. Right now it is blank. I don't know what else they are supposed to do. IIRC, I think the ad for this promotion has even popped up on this site a few times. It's pretty basic. And if it is geared toward the younger crowd, the internet is one thing in which they are far better versed than the older crowd.

QUOTE (bmags @ May 12, 2014 -> 12:18 PM) Is there a link for this? http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/cws/ticketing/kzone.jsp