Dick Allen

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 05:55 PM) I thought Curt Schilling had a good point about the cardinals, they don't look for the 5-tool players per se, but baseball players. They draft good baseball players, guys who know the game and understand it and are good all around players. You look at their big homegrown contributors, a lot of late round next to nothing bonus guys. Considering the excuse the White Sox have had about draft position, the Cardinals seem to find away around it without going over slot.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 01:00 PM) considering what the group that bought it for paid for it, that is INSANE!!!! Funny thing is, many of these same people were basically handed the Bulls with Michael Jordan on the roster. They had to assume some debt, and that was it. Lee Stern was talking about it last year. JR offered him a much of the Bulls as he wanted. He passed. He is haunted to this day about that decision.

I like Quintana, but there is something telling me if you can get that kind of offer, the time is right to deal him. I just wonder if he can keep it up. He definitely came in stronger last year, but he just seems like someone whose success is short-term, not unlike several Toronto pitchers.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 02:04 PM) Quad injury my ass. So the alternative to awful Beckham is a slap hitter with no power, that doesn't walk and has no speed. Sweet. Beckham has had 1975 more PA's than Gillespie to prove he doesn't belong. Same age. Wrist injury zapped his power. Quad injury hurt his speed and range. If Beckham is healthy and can stay healthy, admittedly big ifs, he'll still be a really good player.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 02:03 PM) Another good point. And let's be honest, would anyone be surprised if the Sox had another contributor step up in their minor league pitching staff in the next year beyond the guys I listed? I wouldn't. No, that is what makes trading a pitcher a heck of a lot easier. It isn't like a guy the Sox groomed who can hit and you may not see another one for almost a decade. They have plenty of pitchers scattered all over the league. Not a lot of stars, but serviceable. The Sox deal one, they will probably develop one, and an article I read said they were a little leery about the pitching getting thin, that they probably would address that in the draft.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 01:57 PM) I've been watching Beckham fail for 4 years. Gillaspie is better right now, has far better mechanics and a far better approach. Do you realize how screwed up Beckham's mechanics are? You do realize Beckham was hitting.309 when he went down with a quad injury in August. Gillaspie was no better than Tank at 3B the last 3 months of the season as well.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 01:47 PM) Could be Quintana to Toronto for 3B Lawrie and RHP Aaron Sanchez. I like Quintana, but I would do this trade before Toronto could change their mind.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 01:36 PM) Would you guys do Santiago + Keppinger for Headley? Of course. SD wouldn't.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 12:56 PM) I think Conor's potential is similar to what I'd expect out of Headley, 270/340/420ish with 20 HR's. Admittedly, I don't know much about Headley's defense, but the GG doesn't impress me. Gillaspie is basically the same age as Beckham. Why does he have so much potential but you think Beckham is just awful and cannot get better?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 12:58 PM) Personally I think you are grossly understating our pitching depth, and I think the right move, if available, could take advantage of that. It's a gamble but it's the kind of gamble I'd consider if I were in Hahns chair. If they do trade a starter, I think it's more than likely they sign a free agent to compete for a spot in the rotation. I don't think it would be a big money guy, but a guy like Johnson could make some sense depending on health.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 11:59 AM) Psshh second base Yeah, I wanted him strictly as a backup. It was merely ironic and coincidental that I was asking for the Sox to sign him and then he went bonkers Which probably goes to show it is just as important for the player to select where he plays as it is the team that selects him. If Pena signed with the Sox, he probably doesn't get much of an opportunity and probably winds up making a lot less money during his career.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 12:17 PM) So how do you understand your own posts? Personally, I think my posts make a lot of sense.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 08:59 AM) Here's another fun one http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=56432 EDIT: I suggested the Sox sign Carlos Pena to a minor league deal rather than sign Erstad. All he did that year was put up .282/.411/.627/1.037. Pretty sure they did actually bring in Eduardo Perez too, and he retired in Spring Training. God I nailed that thread. Where would Pena have played? Konerko and Thome were taking up his spots. I guess you could have put him in LF, but then the Sox might not have picked up Quentin in 2008.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 11:45 AM) Yes, DA doesn't understand the concept. Correct. I don't understand concepts that make zero sense.

QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 11:13 AM) You wouldn't pay some cash for a good year and possible 1st round supplimental pick? Not when BJ Upton and Dan Uggla are available.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 10:03 AM) I think Manuel's health is a big issue for him anymore. He would be good, but i just dont know that he could do it. He wants to manage, so I take that as he thinks he's physically capable right now. The question to me would be how long? If he is up for doing it for 2 or 3 years and can groom a guy like Thome, it makes some sense IMO. One thing I found interesting in the Hahn conference call last week was when he was asked about Thome, he really couldn't describe much about what he actually was doing for the Sox other than making appearances in the minor leagues and talking to them. Not really instructing, but more just talking to them, giving them the I just talked to a future HOFer experience. What made it curious is Thome's title. Special Assistant to the GM.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Oct 22, 2013 -> 10:05 PM) I don't think he is capable of hitting clean up. The Sox are probably targeting a left handed clean up hitter. If they acquired Headley, that still leaves a hole at that spot in the lineup. Yet you made a line up recently with Grady Sizemore batting clean up. Headley could be the left handed power bat with a high OBP you are looking for. He plays in a pitchers park and was hurt most of last year.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 22, 2013 -> 07:37 PM) I thought it was top 5, but either way, probably around $18 million. Looks like it was a little over $14 million this year.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 22, 2013 -> 07:30 PM) I think it is the average of the top 3 contracts at the position I am not a Cutler apologist. I think he is what he is. I don't think he is going to wake up one day and be Rodgers or Peyton Manning. He has warts, and the Bears will have to accept that. However, I also don't buy the Trestman can make any old journeyman QB. Pro bowler. There are people who get paid millions who know football a lot better than me, and i really believe if they thought that, he wouldn't have ever had to coach in Montreal. Pay jay the franchise tag. Develop another QB. If Jay shows he deserving of a longer huge commitment, fine. If not the replacement could then be ready to go.

What will it cost to franchise Cutler? Franchise him for a year or even two, draft a QB, and see what happens.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 22, 2013 -> 04:09 PM) I would be interested if he had more than 1 year left on his contract. It would be foolish to trade young talent for such a player. What young players do the Sox have that really would be foolish to get rid of? Headley still put up an OBP not seen on the White Sox even in an injury plagued year. I would see if he would be interested in an extension. If the answer is no, his price tag went down a bit. If yes, by all means, see if you can get him. The White Sox aren't exactly loaded with studs in the minor leagues.

QUOTE (GoGoSox2k2 @ Oct 22, 2013 -> 03:08 PM) i completely agree with this. cano just strikes me as a guy that does not always have that fire and desire for the team aspect. not the guy i want the white sox (with the way our finances are) to tie up money long term to. as someone mentioned below, id much rather sign mccann and ellsbury than just cano Ellsbury is certain to spend a lot of time on the DL. I would rather have Cano. The Sox aren't going to sign either, but it is fun to speculate. McCann is the guy I want the Sox to get. I don't know if it is realistic or not, but if they got him and made a correct trade or 2, picked up a couple of relievers, they really would be good to go.

It's one thing to give Cano $25 million a year. It's quite another to commit to doing that for 8 to 10 years.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFan05 @ Oct 21, 2013 -> 04:42 PM) Vincent Rizzo Sports @vincentrizzosports MLB #NYYankee outfielder Curtis Granderson is VERY CLOSE to sign 5-YEAR DEAL W/ Chicago White Sox, deal worth 16 million per yr. One problem is Granderson isn't a free agent until 5 days after the WS.

This guy has better numbers than Oney and Nick Parent. BTW, what is Ozney doing?