Dick Allen

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 12, 2013 -> 01:30 PM) He never eve met the kid that died. Why should I feel sorry for a guy who didn't care to meet his child? I agree. If it is comfirmed he is the father, AP is a s***ty guy.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 11, 2013 -> 11:29 AM) Every year, Adam Dunn hits poorly, and hits well. 2011 was the ONLY YEAR where he only hit poorly and did not also hit well. Therefore, Adam Dunn's 2011 was an aberration. Which is what I posted in post 151 which started all of this. I said stretches and said I wouldn't call his 2011 a "complete aberration" because he still hits like that for long periods of time in each season since. I wasn't talking total season stats. I was talking the level of performance and not just for a week or two here and there. It is still quite prevalent. Example, through the first 36 games of 2013, he was hitting .133 with a .520 Ops. That is almost a quarter of the season.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 11, 2013 -> 11:11 AM) You are taking stretches out of context and turning them into seasons to make a comparison that isn't there. His 2011 season was an aberration. Looking at the rest of his seasonal totals tells you that. All hitters have stretches where they struggle, but that isn't what is being talked about here. All hitters have stretches where they struggle. I understand that. And my original point was Dunn still plays at his 2011 level for long stretches, quite often. 2011 was historic how bad it was. I get that, but he still is capable of that type of performance for a good part of the season, which to me says it is not quite a complete aberration when discussing that particular level of play. He still gets there. It is exactly what I originally posted in post #151.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 12:27 PM) Beckham played 25 games in June, 20 games in July, 29 games in August (27 starts), and 22 games in Sept. He played more in those last 2 months than he did in July. July has the AS break for a couple games true, but if that's giving him "extra time off", then I don't know when he ever had time on. http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseba...-to-quad-strain All right there for you. Was hitting over .300 with a .360 Obp. Power wasn't there but I thin the wrist could be at fault, and his UZR was really good. You keep pointing out his range is getting worse. The guy had a leg injury.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 11, 2013 -> 10:22 AM) MOVING THE GOALPOSTS I'm not debating whether or not Adam Dunn is a streaky player. I'm not debating anything. I'm telling you, and you are disputing what is, to this point in time, a fact - Adam Dunn's 2011 is an aberration. Are you really disputing the FACT that Adam Dunn has never once in his career posted anything close over the course of a full season to the .569 OPS he put up in 2011? Quit arguing just to argue. You are attempting to make an argument against concrete being hard. All I am pointing out is that the performance you call a "complete aberration" is the same type of performance Adam has provided in prolong stretches the last 2 years. The only goalposts that have been move are people defending his performance, basing most of it off of 2011. If you wantto base it off of the rest of his career, his 2012 and 2013 also sucked. I am not a Dunn hater by any stretch. He does hustle, and seems like a good teammate, but his performance in each year he has been in a White Sox uniform has been less than was expected when he signed his contract.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 11, 2013 -> 09:59 AM) It's a common fallacy to assume that events are evenly distributed. The fact is, Adam Dunn's seasons are not unlike any other players' seasons in that they are composed of hot streaks and cold streaks that end up averaging into his end of the season lines. He may be streakier than average, but pointing out his cold stretches does nothing to explain his 2011. Your argument is evidence that he's declining. His 2011 was a complete meltdown. The fact that his last two seasons have been substantially better than his 2011 is the best argument that 2011 was a "complete aberration." If 2011 was his true talent level, than his season averages would be looking like 2011, regardless of hot and cold streaks. That doesn't mean you have to think he's good, but I'm not sure there's really any rational argument against the notion that his 2011 was an aberration. 2011 was a sign of decline as well. He still doesn't have a .200 average in a White Sox uniform, the advanced metrics article I read pointed out that his 40 homer 2012 was the second least productive 40 homer season in history. Granted even the least productive 40 homer seasons still provide value. Look at his numbers June 1, 2013, It was like 2011 all over again. And his September was one for the books. Even when people are satisified with Adam Dunn, he is just as bad as he was in 2011 for half the year. He goes bad for months at a time. He had crazy monthly splits. He was either an All Star or a guy that should be selling beer in the stands. The only aberration was that in 2011 it lasted the entire season. The performance that occured then is not a complete aberration. It still occurs just as often as when he is productive.

Peppers is either playing really hurt, doesn't feel like playing anymore, or just got old really fast. He isn't even getting doubled and his game stats aren't too much different from mine.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 11, 2013 -> 09:25 AM) And now I feel like an idiot for misspelling. Still, here's the definition ab·er·ra·tion/ˌæbəˈreɪʃən/ Show Spelled [ab-uh-rey-shuhn] Show IPA noun 1. the act of departing from the right, normal, or usual course. 2. the act of deviating from the ordinary, usual, or normal type. 3. deviation from truth or moral rectitude. 4. mental irregularity or disorder, especially of a minor or temporary nature; lapse from a sound mental state. 5. Astronomy . apparent displacement of a heavenly body, owing to the motion of the earth in its orbit. Now, here are Adam Dunn's OPS's from year to year .948 .854 .819 .956 .927 .855 .940 .898 .928 .892 .569 .800 .762 You tell me Dick, do any of those look like they depart or deviate from the norm? Each of the past 2 seasons, he has been 2011 awful or close to it for 3 months out of 6. So he has been just as awful the last 2 seasons as he was in 2011 half the time. So even the past 2 seasons, his complete aberration has been just as typical of a performance as the "good" Adam Dunn. In fact his last 2 seasons look like an aberration if you look at the first 10 or 11. I hope he is the June, July, August of 2013 Adam Dunn next year, but chances are, for at least half of next season, just like in 2012 and 2013, he will perform just like the performance you call a complete aberration.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 11, 2013 -> 08:50 AM) Every player goes through stretches where they look like dogs***. It was a complete abberation. Obviously facts won't stand in your way. The last 3 months of 2012, combined, he hit below .200 with an OBP below .300, and had to be held out of the final game so he wouldn't establish a record for striking out in a season. Last year in April, May and September his highest average was .165, and highest OBP was .250. That is half a season. While players do fluctuate, he is abnormally bad for extremely long periods of time. He was extremely good the other 3 months of 2013, so he obviously has or at least had something left. To think anyone being reasonable would be shocked if Adam Dunn was that bad again is a reach.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 11, 2013 -> 08:10 AM) To be fair...you shouldn't cite guys whose switch came in the shape of a needle. I think you are absolutely correct. But one thing that really makes me wonder PED-wise, except for Clemens, pitchers have totally gotten a pass as users, and I am sure their percentage of cheaters is just as high as hitters. Andy Petite admitted he cheated, but he isn't vilified like a hitter of his status doing the same thing. So while juiced up hitters where allegedly padding their stats juicing, they were doing it against guys who also were using the same stuff. Pitchers having abnormal jumps in performance aren't nearly as scrutinized as hitters.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 11, 2013 -> 07:59 AM) No, he has proven that 2011 was a complete abberation. Arguing that is like arguing that the color black is really purple. I wouldn't say complete aberration. He still goes through rather long stretches where he looks like he is back to that. He obviously has made himself useful again, and hopefully the real nice stretch he sandwiched between a couple of extended 2011-like stretches he had this year, is what he can be next season.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Oct 11, 2013 -> 12:46 AM) IMO, complaining about not kicking the FG in the first is a little ridiculous. You're facing an 0-5 team. You have the ball at the 2 and it's your first drive of the game. With the confidence Trestman has in the offense, why not go for it? If you score, it's instant demoralization for the Giants. If you don't score, you still have the Giants pinned deep in their own zone. Even if you screw it up to the point that you turn the ball over, the absolute worst case scenario is some horrible turnover that goes 98+ yards the other way, and the chances of that are very slim. I was totally on board with going for it. Especially considering when they gave the ball back, they got a pick 6.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 03:26 PM) Are these suggestions that Sizemore's knees are shot, based upon anything that has been reported, or is this just speculation? Look, if you guys are correct, and he can't play because he is permanently impaired, then of course it would make no sense. I'm sure that he will be well examined by any team that considers signing him. What I had read is that he was taking his time to be sure that he was completely healthy. I have not seen any reports saying that he will not be able to run well, much less, play center. Who else is out there who could be a stop gap center fielder? I mean someone who can provide solid defense. The best in house guy is probably Jordan Danks. I would hope that longer term, Thompson, or Hawkins will be able to fill that need. One thing I read was he was going to have to move to a corner if he could come back. I don't know if is based on facts or speculation. Surgeries on both knees and a back problem would seem to slow him down a bit. There just is nothing really out there about him other than Rosenthal saying he planned to play next season a couple of months ago.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 12:25 PM) The AVERAGE is based off tickets in the upper corner as well as the dugout seats behind home plate. you know, ones that cost $400 already. Also, like i said before, these teams have the stubhub prices in front of them. They are charging secondary prices at the primary market level. Based of 2011, players got 60 percent of the gate for 24 games. The number of minimum games needed assuming every series was a sweep. 100% The other 12 still go to mlb to distribute. How much a team gets is unknown. But what is known is that some owners, like Jerry, purposely wrote into stadium leases that playoff STADIUM money was not part of any rent agreement. Now why would jerry do that if he was expecting a windfall of money in a playoff run from ticket sales? For all we know, the excess money gained from non-sweeps is distributed among all 30 teams. As for the indians again, they have been known to gouge their fans. phantom playoff tix in 2011 were 92% higher than regular season tix. Also of note: My game 163 tix in 2008 (lower box down the line) cost MORE than my ALDS tix in Lower Reserved Outfield. EDIT: Yes, the Sox are the ones who "sell" my playoff tix, but look on the back. I sure don't see no damm dunkin donuts ad on them. I see bud selig's signature. It's part of Jerry's agreement because his rent goes up with higher attendance for games that weren't scheduled, not because he's not getting paid. It makes no sense for a team to charge it's fans who barely come to games anyway $400 on average for 43,000 people if it all is divided up among the teams. They marked up their average ticket price 697% from the regular season. No sense at all. The Indians were hoping to recoup some of the funds they paid out when the fans didn't show up this year. There was another article that said the Indians would be better off giving away free division series tickets to fans willing to commit to season tickets next season.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 10:31 AM) ALL ticket money goes to mlb to distribute. They use 12 DS games, 4 CS games and 2 WS games to dish out to players and teams. The rest goes to mlb. Hockey is the sport where playoff ticket money is dished out via revenue sharing. But those clubs do not send the money to Toronto. You are not correct. Think about it, aif it didn't make a big impact on their own revenue, why would the Indians charge over $400 a ticket on average? So MLB can make more money? There wouldn't be such a difference between what teams were charging if it was going to all be divvyed up. Some of it goes to the league, some of it for the playoff shares players get, but the team keeps a decent percentage. There was an article a couple of years ago how the DBacks heighted their payroll based on a hopeful long playoff run to cover the increase. The playoff run didn't happen. When you buy playoff tickets you buy the from the White Sox and not MLB. If playoff ticket money is refunded for unplayed games, the White Sox refund you, not MLB. If it was all going to MLB, they wouldn't need the middleman.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 10:16 AM) Yes, however the point is that a player can be away from the game and come back, providing he is healthy. I think it helps if you are younger, and Sizemore has been a physical wreck for over 4 years. What really are the odds he would be healthy enough to become a big contributor on a team at this point? I'd sign him to a minor league make good, no risk contract for sure, but to actually count on him for production is not realistic.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 08:51 AM) Then he should not have been playing. If it's so bad that it drops his average 80 points, he's too hurt to play. I apologize, I'd lost quite a bit of interest towards the end for obvious reasons. However, hearing the sheer number of players that were playing hurt really does make me question Ventura's accountability and ability to make a stand and say "You can't play." I understand that guys don't want to sit, but you are hurting the team playing hurt whether in contention or not. Guys play hurt all the time. He did sit out several games. It was no secret. They mentioned it several times. He was obviously limping along a lot. Professionals play, and don't worry about what it will look like on baseballreference.com. The team didn't have better options.I don't know why that is some managerial accountability problem.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 08:19 AM) After reading all of your comments, and thinking more about what Hahn should do, I think this "retool" should be a two year project. I would trade Alexei and de Aza, for prospects, if there is any market for them. I would retain all of the young pitching, including Santiago. Abreu is still my unquestionable #1 target. Gamble on a cheap, one year deal for Sizemore, who will be looking to re-establish his value: Here is my lineup: SS Semien 2B Beckham RF Garcia CF Sizemore 1B Abreu DH Dunn LF Viciedo 3B Gillaspie/platooned with a rh hitter C Phegley/Flowers competition That gets them to 2015, when they can evaluate the development of the young core of Semien, Garcia, Abreu, Viciedo, Gillaspie and whoever catches. Then, with plenty of payroll flexibility still left, they can decide if they have any other holes to fill besides Sizemore and Dunn, whose contracts would be finished. They would have a better idea of how to evaluate the pitching staff, after a year of the young starters, Santiago, Johnson, as well as a better idea of well Danks has recovered. It also gives them one more year to gauge the potential of some of the very young talent like Hawkins, T. Anderson, Micah Johnson and whoever is selected #3 in this years draft. With continued payroll flexibility, and a few youngsters emerging as solid players, the Sox should be able to fill the remaining holes and put a very competitive team on the field in 2015. I know you really have a thing for Grady Sizemore, and at one time he was a great player, but it would be a Festivus miracle if he is ever good enough to bat clean up in a line up anymore. He has missed 2 seasons and its been 4 years since he has hit .230 or had an OBP of .300.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 08:38 AM) Beckham wasn't hurt towards the end of the year, and in August and September he hit .227/.304/.335/.639. With Semien knocking on the door and guys like Carlos Sanchez, Leury Garcia, and Micah Johnson closing in, you have to ask whether or not it's worth it to spend $5+ million on Beckham next year. Beckham was hurt the last 2 months. He was playing with a bad quad.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 05:37 AM) His comments are 100% correct despite what some Sox fans tend to think. I think if the Sox actually won 10 in a row like he said, and the Cubs continued being the Cubs, he would be wrong, but I do think it would take something really extreme. Not just winning once or twice. But there definitely was a change in Cubs' fans attitudes once the Sox did win. There is no denying that.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 06:46 AM) Theo could never hire a guy with a strong personality than him. Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. Ozzie wouldn't last long with Theo and Hoyer. Remember Oney not having any respect for Sox front office guys that didn't play professionally like he did?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 9, 2013 -> 03:37 PM) From what I had read, Girardi wasn't really Theo's top choice. This was more Ricketts & Crane Kenney having wanted Girardi in the past and looking for the biggest name. If Theo is losing the baseball decision battle to Ricketts and Crane, the Cubs are going to be bad for a very long time.

Am I the only one who thought Theo and Co. were so pompous believing Girardi would leave the Yankees and disrupt his family's lives to jump at a chance to manage the loser Cubs? I think it was a thank you for the extra cash they made him for being interested that he didn't sign with the Yankees 5 seconds after they made the offer.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 9, 2013 -> 12:33 PM) Really, if you look at the stats, this isn't true. They put him in LF in 2012 and he was just a small tick below "average" out there. Both UZR and Defensive Runs Saved agree on this, UZR he was at -3 with 0 being average, DRS he was actually above average in 2012. The problem is he was significantly worse in both metrics in 2013. In 2012, he covered enough ground and was reliable enough of a fielder that when you factor in his arm, he was just fine in 2012. The problem is he suffered from the same 2013 disease as the rest of the team and got worse. If only they hit him a few more fungos in spring training. He would have been hellish.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Oct 9, 2013 -> 11:30 AM) fair enough. but the larger point is that the ticket revenue, no matter who sets it, flows to the head office in NYC. The indians do not get the AL Wild Card game money. They will get a slice of the total compensation pie. Only a percentage of it does. The teams get to keep a decent percentage themselves.