Dick Allen

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 22, 2013 -> 10:17 AM) Sox still win the division. Liriano was awful. I don't think the Sox record in Liriano's starts was much different than the Angels record in Greinke's starts. Advanced metrics would show Greinke the better pitcher, but for 12 or 13 starts, the wins and losses during their starts, especially since they obviously were rentals, would be a very meaningful number. It really doesn't matter if you win 6-5 or 6-1.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 21, 2013 -> 01:21 PM) How long are you willing to sacrifice? it's been 7 seasons since the last WS title, and you already are upset with management. If they truly went all-in and sacrificed the future, it could be 10-20 years before they are competitive again. You claim you are OK with that, but your comments today show that you won't be. What's funny is most think the Patriots are the epitome of a team with sustained success. A lot of people here think making the playoffs is not good enough. Championships are all that counts. The White Sox world championship drought isn't as long as New England's right now.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 21, 2013 -> 09:13 AM) I'm not sure how... How exactly are you getting more people to go to games out of this? They aren't, but attendance won't slide, and they will have a few more revenue streams. More people will be dropping money at their hotel and on Sheffield if that is closed during game day, and they will be able to bring in more money with new and improved suites. I can't see how the are going to be able to do this for only $300 million, but they really have no choice. Good for them. Ricketts at least should have recognized what everyone who buys a property that old finds out rather quickly, they are money pits. I am sure he is spending millions just keeping it viable. I wonder what impact it will have on the Cubs when this project eventually goes over budget by $100-200 million.

$300 million seems a bit optimistic, but I think it is great for the taxpayers. This is going to generate more jobs and more spending meaning more tax revenue, giving the state more money to blow on something else. I hope the get that landmark restriction eased, better yet, take it away completely and let them pay some more property tax.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Jan 20, 2013 -> 11:24 AM) I agree that it isn't merely a matter of from which side of the plate the "Tiger slayer" hits. However, wouldn't you agree that the Sox need another left handed, middle of the order hitter? Doesn't it also make sense that he should be someone who has demonstrated success against the Tiger's right handed starters? The problem is there aren't many guys you could really expect to own a guy like Verlander, and even if he is out there, there is no guarantee it would continue in 2013. Frank Thomas used to own Mike Mussina. It was ridiculous, something like a .600 or .700 batting average for several years. Then he went several years without being able to touch him. Then he started lighting him up again. iMO, and I totally agree the Sox are short on the left side of the plate, they can't focus on what these guys do against the Tigers specifically.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 20, 2013 -> 09:29 AM) Didn't see this anywhere thought it would be worth posting. I'm shocked you are doing some leg work for Chairman Reinsdorf.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Jan 20, 2013 -> 06:29 AM) The single biggest reason that the Sox didn't win the division last year was that they couldn't beat the Tigers in head to head competition. The Tigers have improved over last season, and have the same pitching staff. The following stats (AVG. OBP SLG) reflect the 2012 performance of Sox hitters, including those added and subtracted from last year's roster A. de Aza .224 .286 .362 Alex Rios .206 .254 .349 P Konerko .294 .329 .471 Pierzynski .267 .279 .433 D. Viciedo .260 .302 .460 A. Dunn .216 .255 .451 Ramirez .227 .250 .318 K.Youklis .115 .194 .328 Beckham .205 .340 .455 Keppinger .158 .200 .316 It's pretty obvious that the Sox can't hit Tiger pitching. I wonder if it's at least in part because all of Detroit's starters are right handed. As you're probably tired of hearing me say; the Sox continue to lack a middle of the order left handed bat, . I'd suggest that we all focus our speculation about roster changes on the task of acquiring another left handed bat, for the middle of the order, preferably one who has a history of hitting Tiger pitching. More importantly, I hope that is what R. Hahn is doing. He has stated several times, that acquiring an impact left handed bat is one of his highest priorities. I still think that the Sox should be trying to trade for someone like Markakis. Here are his stats vs. the Tigers, for the last 2 years: 2012 .385 .448 .654 2011 .343 .385 .486 Here's what Kubel did in 2011, his last year in the AL: .239 .364 .391 It doesn't appear that he's the answer. Someone, please suggest a feasible trade to acquire a "Tiger Slayer". They are looking for a LH bat. I think one cheap way to start is the catcher the A's just DFA'D. Not the total answer but he appears to be a LH Tyler Flowers.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 08:30 AM) ^Also I will add that Hahn will get massive amounts of credit if it turns out that all these pieces he is keeping keep it up or turn into better players that become worth more later. If for example Gavin has a great year and helps us win a division then Hahn will get loads of credit for doing nothing, because that was the best course of action. But I think Hahn doing nothing sets us back so I am prepared to criticize him until he takes some steps that would appear to make this team better in the future. Hahn works on improving the White Sox every day. Whether he ultimately is the man for the job, we will see, but the constant criticism for not doing anything, even though he signed Peavy and Keppinger, and really believing he does nothing all day is ridiculous.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jan 18, 2013 -> 01:20 PM) Boozer is playing better basketball right now than I've ever seen him play. I am skeptical it will continue but hopefully it does. In other news, the Suns just fired Alvin Gentry. Because I am sure it is Gentry's fault that is roster is filled with garbage basketball players, that Sarver being a cheap piece of s*** owner resulted in them selling a bunch of draft choices and letting go of every good player they had. Robert Sarver is arguably the worst owner in sports. Think of it as they are doing Gentry a favor. He doesn't have to run practices or sit through Suns games anymore, and he's still collecting his check. The most amazing thing in the NBA is the Clippers. Can a team owned by Donald Sterling and coached by Vinny Del Negro actually compete for a title?

Who actually was responsible for Gannon's success with the Raiders, Trestman or Gruden?

Why did Te'o tell reporters before the Heisman Trophy presentation on December 8 that he "lost both my grandparents and my girlfriend to cancer," when two days earlier the woman he thought was dead called him on his cellphone?

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 18, 2013 -> 11:36 AM) I don't know that I'm saying give up on him, but you carry yourself like you are so f***ing certain Viciedo is going to be a monster. He'll absolutely have to hit .300 with his plate discipline to be a valuable member of the White Sox. I just don't see how his approach will EVER yield a .300 average - he's never going to be anything more than streaky. I do think he'll be fine. Check his age 23 numbers. Check Carlos Lee's age 23 numbers. Very similar. Lee had a few more hits. Viciedo actually walked a bit more, and homered more. If he becomes more selective, something that often occurs with experience, he can become a monster. You carry yourself like he's a bust. I think he can be Carlos Lee. Both busts as 3rd baseman, both will have weight issues. Sometimes the sequel isn't as good as the original. Maybe this one is.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 18, 2013 -> 11:28 AM) Great post. 23 year olds never fail to live up to expectations while franchises burn year after year on them. Of course they fail, but that doesn't mean you give up on them when they are 23 or they are what they are at that age like many people here have mentioned. Sometimes, young players actually improve.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 18, 2013 -> 11:05 AM) Since anyone complaining about Dayan Viciedo is a horrible thing in your opinion, I'll go off on your ridiculous homerism and your more ridiculous confidence that your way of thinking is so great. Viciedo's on base percentage is horrific, and he was worse than a replacement-level player offensively while providing no defense as a corner outfielder on a team that lost the division by 3 games - while he had an OPS of .660 after May. But keep slurping Dayan Viciedo and wearing your Sox-player blinders, Dick. 14 jacks over his last 100 games. Let's all roll out the red carpet for the future superstar and see nothing wrong with him ever! Great post. 23 year olds never get better with experience. You really should be a GM. I will say you are the first to accuse me of homerism, and ridiculous homerism at that. Fact is, if all the other GMs are half as smart as you, they won't want Viciedo either, so the Sox are stuck with him. Better hope he improves.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 18, 2013 -> 10:53 AM) Hopefully for your sake the Sox trade Chris Sale for a milkshake machine today. Any move is better than no moves right? A milkshake machine would be kind of sweet actually.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jan 18, 2013 -> 10:44 AM) That wasn't my point at all. The only point there was that we can develop someone (which sadly some--maybe not you--tend to not believe). The trade with SEA was great, we'd all do it 100x over. The Sox traded Morse in 2004. He didn't become worth anything until 2010 when he was 28 years old. If the Sox would have kept him, most would have given up on him long before that, considering this board has problems with 23 years olds who hit 25 homers.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jan 18, 2013 -> 09:34 AM) Mike Morse. Former White Sox prospect, who was busy here developing at the same time the organization was taking Brian Anderson and, as some here would insist, were ruining him. Because they're so bad at developing people. Just disregard the guy the Sox got for him helped them win a WS. Can't posters find something legitimate to complain about?

One thing Trestman has to work on is his 'doo. That's just brutal.

CTL just said if Arians was hired, Whisenhunt would have bee the OC and Russ Grimm the line coach.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 12:20 PM) But it would save them like $7 million right? Try to find someone as good as Peppers for $7 million. The only people who win if the Bears cut Peppers are the McCaskeys.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 12:02 PM) Wootton and Paea are awful fits for the 5T. Peppers is the Bears best defensive player. They may save money, but how do they replace that production? I don't think people understand if the Bears cut Peppers, it still would be a $10 million cap hit. They might as well keep him around.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 10:48 AM) If there was really a million dollar raised for this girl, this story just got even bigger I think it was for cancer research, not any one individual.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 10:37 AM) If RM did not like the job fine, but that is not the case it is because he is loyal to Lovie only reason he is gone. Going from D-Cor to linebacker coach to be Kiffin's lap boy makes no sense. If he is happy fine by me, If he was not happy glad he is gone! It makes perfect sense. He is familiar with Kiffin just like he was close with Lovie. He probably doesn't know Trestman, and would be a lame duck with one year left on his deal. He can go work with someone he knows and if a DC opens up next year, like if Lovie gets a HC job, maybe he jumps at it or he stays with someone he's comfortable with. Considering Kiffin's age, maybe he takes his job in a year or 2. He's not working his way up the ranks.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 10:30 AM) Not a smart decision by RM................Lovie is gone he needs to get over it! Why is it not a smart decision? He probably doesn't need the money. Why work someplace you don't want to work if you don't have to? Seems to me, if he wouldn't be happy, or would be happier elsewhere, its a very smart decision.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 11:47 PM) http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/jason-la...nator-according I heard one of the biggest knocks on Singletary, is surprisingly his football work ethic. Apparently he has a lot of religious responsibilities and doesn't put the time an NFL coach needs to put in.