Dick Allen

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 27, 2012 -> 08:12 AM) The one thing I can't get past is all of the above, but then that people have already written him off. This is far closer to an Alejandro De Aza situation than it is a DeWayne Wise situation. Its actually much closer to the Josh Fields situation. Many on this board were up in arms in 2008 when Crede was made the regular 3B. If you can't make contact in the minors, things tend to get a lot worse in the majors. If anything, Flowers defense has been overrated. Reading this board you would think he's some sort of defensive combination of Johnny Bench, Ivan Rodriquez and Benito Santiago.

At least he will be able to bring back his crazy facial hair.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 26, 2012 -> 06:40 PM) Who exactly called AJ "worthless"? See post 175

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 26, 2012 -> 06:23 PM) A guy going 0/8 when he could have taken a day off is no more useful than a starter giving up 8 runs in 2 innings because his arm is wearing out. You know, I really hate this. I liked AJ. But I get why they let him go, and so I wind up having to reply to these crazed statements about why he's irreplaceable and we're doomed now. So, I'm stuck having to point out how a guy who was key to winning us a ring wasn't God's gift to baseball, and being the negative guy on him. I' m not saying that at all,but I was responding to the AJ was always worthless posts. He was a valuable guy to have on the team. Personally, I'm not sold on Flowers at all, and I think the catcher position has been downgraded especially if they are serious about Gimenez as the back up. I do understand not throwing a lot of money at AJ, but the AJ hate is ridiculous.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 26, 2012 -> 06:11 PM) So he gets credit for going out there so often, but we can't criticize him if he should have taken more time off? Why did he need more time off? You want to criticize him foe making a decision that wasn't his to make. The fact that he could answer e bell for so many games is something to admire, like Buehrle going 200 innings every year.why didn't anyone ever post what a selfish asshole Buehle was for making his starts? It wouldn't take much for AJ to beg out of a start. He didn't do that.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 26, 2012 -> 06:05 PM) Of course that raises the question...how much of that was AJ being stubborn and insisting he needed to be in the lineup even on days when he shouldn't have been? Could the Sox have benefited by his backups playing some extra games some of those years, particularly when he had good backups like Castro or the Widge? Again, must qualify that I liked AJ. But that doesn't mean every defense of him makes sense. Again AJ didn't make out the line up card. When Widger was useful, the Sox won the WS so I don't think there was an overplay there. Castro had one good year as a back up, but if he played more, chances are he would have been exposed checking out the rest of his career. He was awful his first season with the Sox and injured his last.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Dec 26, 2012 -> 05:54 PM) He managed to produce a higher WAR than AJ. WAR doesn't account for grinderism though. And fangraphs WAR is the end all. Instead of standings, they should just add up all WARs and pass out trophies. The fact is if AJ hit .215 with a .275 OBP but threw out runners just like Karkovice used to, you would say he sucked. AJ was a good player for the Sox and had an impact far beyond numbers. The fact that he kept some of his back ups off the field alone should be appreciated.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Dec 26, 2012 -> 04:56 PM) The legend of AJ knows no bounds. The other day, somebody took a shot at Flowers by calling him another Karkovice. Statistically, AJ was no Karkovice. Karkovice was basically a back up catcher. He caught 1000 innings once in his career. His entire value was his defense, and Flowers isn't anywhere near Karkovice defensively.

Bonds was probably on a HOF track before he started bulking up. I could understand his election, plus his numbers, even when giving the juice some credit were beyond amazing.

QUOTE (PtownSoxfan @ Dec 24, 2012 -> 08:29 PM) He just signed with Boston last week I believe. And regarding Soriano being rep. by Boras, two things, both of which may not matter but I'll bring it up anyway #1- there's the possibility that he wont get as much as he could have had (at least for this season) had he not opted out of his contract with NY, which can tend to sour a player on their current management #2- are there any known issues between Hahn & Boras that would put a definitive no on this? Would Kenny be okay with Hahn dealing with a Boras client? Or is it simply an organizational philosophy that goes from Jerry on down, no Boras client signings under any circumstances? I know that it HAS been the case the last decade, however with Kenny moving up (in title), im curious to know what if any effect that has on dealings with guys like Boras He turned down the qualifying offer, so not only would you have to pay him 8 figures, you would forfeit a draft pick as well. He turned down a ridiculously large option in NY. I think Boras might have finally overplayed his hand.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Dec 22, 2012 -> 09:38 AM) And Buehrle? Let's just say that I am glad he no longer wears a White Sox uniform. You must be a vendor.

Isn't Markakis an Angelos favorite? Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think the Sox could get him unless they gave up about triple what he is worth.

How dare John Lynch call out Cutler. It is never Cutler's fault if he is having a terrible game.Bears in a must win= Jay Cutler bad.

Another worthless challenge by the Bears. You can blame Lovie for it, but someone upstairs is telling him to throw the flag.

It would be nice if Hester actually tried to catch the ball more than half the time.

QUOTE (Sox1 @ Dec 23, 2012 -> 03:02 PM) I hope the Bears new coach is Cowher The Bears have never hired a head coach with previous NFL head coaching experience.

Andy Gonzalez is back. DJ is happy.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 04:02 PM) losing big and rebuilding with prospects does not guarantee that you will put yourself back into contention any time soon. Just ask the Royals Not only that, it erodes the fan base. See the Cleveland Indians.

QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 02:36 PM) Now, add Torii Hunter to the mix (and Fielder/Martinez) and add Keppinger and Danks, and subtract Youkilis and Pierzynski...who's better now? If everyone plays exactly like last year, and the rosters are final as currently constructed, its obvious. But that is not the case.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 02:03 PM) http://www.suntimes.com/sports/17143099-41...nce-injury.html DERRICK ROSE IS PRACTICING SWEET BABY JESUS We're talkin' bout practice.

The Sox were able to get a prospect for Scott Linebrink. Fransico Liriano just got $14 million. If anyone really thinks they couldn't get anything for Matt Thornton, they are just kidding themselves.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 12:35 PM) If Veal replicates his 2012 performance over a full season then he very well could be. It is highly improbable he does that based on his previous track record, but for arguments sake, say he turned the proverbial corner last season, yeah he could be Hopefully he turns out to be as successful as Thornton or the pre-Ozzie Damaso Marte.

Donnie Veal pitched 13 innings in the major leagues since he was signed as a minor league free agent to a minor league contract. What kind of return could he possibly bring that would be better than what Matt Thornton would bring?

Veal had exactly 13 innings of success. If he were 23 or 24 it would be one thing, but he was a minor league free agent pick up. Perhaps ultimately it will work out as well as the Thornton acquistion, but the jury is still out. Obviously he has some ability, but to think he would land you anything on the trade market is almost as absurd as thinking Ozzie Guillen is coming back to manage the White Sox as soon as he's done collecting money for nothing from Loria.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 08:34 AM) And he STILL got a contract before AJ. No he hasn't