Dick Allen

I'm guessing they are giving Dunn a shot at 100 RBI. I bet if he fans a couple of times, he gets yanked

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 01:18 PM) Guess the games in April and May Sox blew did bite them in the ass. People at the time said oh well. Every game you win in April and May, when they supposedly don't mean anything, is one less you have to win in September.

Phil Rogers says despite their awfulness, the Cubs are on the right path. How can he say that at this point? Don't things actually have to develop to say the path is correct?

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 11:41 AM) It makes things look worse, sure, but it's also reality. So if Detroit wins the WS, do you suggest they give the trophy back because they had only the 7th best record in the AL? Why even bother with this stuff if it makes you so miserable?

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 11:17 AM) Jose Quintna Hector Santiago Addison Reed Donnie Veal Nate Jones Alejandro De Aza Dayan Viciedo Adam Dunn Alex Rios Oh, and not having Joe Cowley around the team. Speaking of Cowley, has anyone noticed he's no longer a columnist for the Sun Times, but back to reporter? It hasn't been a good year for team Guillen/Cowley.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 11:26 AM) Last I checked they are the 8th best team in the AL. You really are miserable. The funny thing is you would be much happier if the Sox were the 14th best team in the AL.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 11:08 AM) Outside of Chris Sale, what makes you feel good about this team's near future? The Sox, a team with zero expectations, were in first place most of the season and were in it until game 160. It's really pretty sad if you really are a White Sox fan and couldn't take any enjoyment out of it.

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 10:22 AM) I don't see how we can blame september on pitching. Short of getting a string of shutouts, when we were in the race and trying desperately not to lose, I couldn't help but look at the offense and wonder how we had gotten to this point. I feel like we rarely had a lead in the first 5 innings on ANY of the games in september. We were constantly shut out the first 5 innings and playing catch up. Our offense was just awful in september. De Aza, Dunn and Konerko all hurt and Youkilis beat up will do that to an offense. Its easy to say its a choke, especially after they score at will once its all over, but as was stated previously, the tank was at E. There aren't many teams that can play with their 1,2,3 and 4 hitters hurt and score consistently. The Sox were really beat up this year. Probably more beat up than any year I can remember.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 09:52 AM) You were the level-headed guy, admonishing anyone who was on the ledge. Turns out you could not have been more wrong. No. The team is not the disaster some think it is.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 09:25 AM) Overall, the Sox took half-measures to address their glaring weaknesses and it cost them postseason baseball. Time to rebuild. Says the guy who wanted Juan Pierre and Big Z. LMAO.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 09:03 AM) On the 2012 headstone These White Sox Started off slow, but pace got fast Offensively a Pox But for sure, this team ran out of gas Ran out of gas or got a couple of flat tires sounds about right. They wouldn't have been in position to win if they hadn't pushed their pitchers like Sale, Quintana and Peavy earlier. De Aza gets hurt, Youkilis is breaking down, Dunn pulls a muscle, Konerko needs wrist surgery a ton of rookie pitchers......for a team that was flawed to begin with its asking a lot for them to keep overcoming these things. I thought they would, but I don't think the future is nearly as dark as some think.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 12:02 AM) Fans make way too many excuses for Konerko when they think his numbers should match Ted Williams. The guy is known for long slumps. Plus age may be catching up with him. As for tired, that's the lamest excuse ever. Let me now when Cabrera and Fielder get tired. They might have had one day off the whole season. Their day off is when one of them is a DH. As soon as the season ends, Paulie will be undergoing wrist surgery. I think that's a pretty legit excuse.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Oct 1, 2012 -> 10:51 AM) If Dunn goes 0 for 11 in the Cleveland series, his average will fall below .200. If they get elimated, they won't let Dunn get below .200 or the strikeout record.

The team was a lot better than I figured they would be. I just think they ran out of gas and some key guys were hurting. Konerko and Dunn are clearly playing hurt right now. Youkilis was worn down. Sale and Quintana were pitching in uncharted waters. A ton of young guys in the bullpenThere really wasn't anything that could be done that wasn't already, and I'm one of KW's biggest critics. Throwing Phil Humber a couple more times to the wolves wouldn't have helped the W/L record. Unfortunately the Sox are on the short end this time. Maybe it takes them to another level next year. Things are hopefully done in the winter to make the team strong from the start. We will see. I'm certainly not pessimistic about 2013 unless they decide to take it all apart.

If the reports are true and Hahn is the GM, I do think things will be a little different, but not drastically especially if KW is still around. Hahn has been more involved in recent years in all aspects, I think before he basically was a contracts guy, so there's that. I think the difference is he will do the leg work and be the point man with the other teams instead of KW, it will be interesting how the offseason goes. There should be some money to spend. John Danks should be back. Its, IMO, not nearly the doom and gloom some predict. They are still in the AL Central. I don't see how anyone can say Detroit will definitely be better. If a couple of bullpen guys step up and guys like Quintana can show this year wasn't a fluke and build on it, there should be no reason they can't be in the race next season. I wonder if they will try to re-sign Youk or if he is heading back to Boston to play 1B.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 11:40 AM) To me the crazy thing about the conversation wasn't Guillen being brought back at some point, it was the idea that the rebuild will take only a year or two. I laughed and told him minimum three years to rebuild this roster mess. You have already states you are not qualified to make this sort of comment.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 11:35 AM) Where has Ventura thinking about quitting been mentioned Marty's guy Jt doesn't say that in Marty s post. The beer vendor just laid out a scenerio to Marty.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 11:35 AM) Where has Ventura thinking about quitting been mentioned Marty's guy Jt doesn't say that in Marty s post. The beer vendor just laid out a scenerio to Marty.

Hahn won't bring Ozzie back. He burned his bridges.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Sep 29, 2012 -> 03:17 AM) Broadcast tonight was awful. There's clearly something going on in the booth. It could just be that Hawk was just under the weather, but it was odd they weren't speaking to each other at all.

I don't know if there really is something going on or Hawk is just under the weather, but Hawk and Stone didn't speak to each other the first 2 innings

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 10:45 PM) I don't ever remember actually collapsing in 2006. At least not too late. We just couldn't keep up. 2003 is about the only thing comparable to me. Most loaded team in franchise history all goes to waste because of Jose Paniagua The Paniagua thing was overblown. The only game he pitched, the Sox won. The supposed momentum he gave the Twins is just someone wanting to deflect blame IKO.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 07:55 PM) His record speaks for itself. So do your posts.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 02:56 PM) A middle-of-the-pack team is appropriate send off for KW. They would have battled foe the best record had KW listened to your advice and picked up Pierre and Zambrano.