Dick Allen

QUOTE (Cali @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 04:02 PM) Fan f***ing tastic... You know what's hurting the chances of winning the division? 5 of the 9 guys in the line-up being awful. Way to address the MAIN ISSUE OF THE TEAM. I'm not even talking about getting rid of CQ anymore. I'm talking about doing nothing to address the needs of the team going forward. De Aza is a start but KW benching of Rios "for a long time" lasted all of 2 games.... You make no sense. You say 5 of the 9 are awful and one who isn't you want traded for mediocre minor leaguers, and if they don't you're pissed off. Are you really a White Sox fan?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 04:02 PM) Don't give KW that drug Bradley Cooper was taking in Limitless. We'd have a new 25 man roster by 4 p.m. tomorrow. Jacob Turner's stranded four runners already in scoring position against LAA, 4 K's, lots of pitches...still 0-0 in the bottom of the 3rd. Seems pretty easy to run on him. Had lost 3 decisions in a row in AAA and gave up 7 runs in one of those outings. Angels could really use Napoli's bat again...one of the hottest hitters in baseball recently. If they aren't hitting this guy, what the Angels really need is not another hitter, but a new hitting coach. You get the right guy and every will have an .850 OPS. Colby Rasmus 0-12 with 5 ks since acquired by Toronto. They should fire their hitting coach as well.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 11:28 AM) Hairston to the Brewers. Damn...there goes the make-believe Rios deal. Alex Rios is a poor man's Carlos Gomez and makes about $10.5 million more a season.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 01:51 PM) I dont see him trading Thornton to a contending AL team. I couldn't see it either, just like I couldn't see the Cubs trading Ramirez to the Sox. If he helped the Sox win a WS, it would be a nail in their coffin.

QUOTE (Cali @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 01:35 PM) What a f***ing mistake... I'm coining a phrase right now. KW is blinded by the "AL Central Illusion of Contention", where in the division is SO BAD that putting a team that underperforms in one facet of the game EVERY NIGHT, but is only 3 games out due to aforementioned bad division, is okay and said facet of the game needs no changes because "look how close we are to first with the team we have now" I don't know how dumping one of your better players for marginal prospects makes the team any better down the road. If a team wants Quentin for prospects, KW is doing the wise thing and making sure there the top of the line guys. If not, screw you. BTW, the Sox are so bad they are 4-0 vs. Boston this year. Boston and NYY are going to have pitching problems. Get into the playoffs and anything can happen.

QUOTE (Real @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 01:34 PM) Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal Source: #RedSox also want Thornton, as reported by @BNightengale. Thornton could go. Quentin may be more a winter move. #tradedeadline #MLB Thornton is probably gone im thinking, which does hurt our chances despite what some of you are saying, especially with how much we've had to use the pen, and you're subtracting? yeah If he went to Boston, not only does it weaken the White Sox, it makes a team they have to beat if they want to win the WS stronger. It would be a curious move to say the least unless KW got back major leaguers.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 10:23 AM) I was there on half priced Monday, on July 4th (holiday), with fireworks. The upper deck was still only 1/2 full. Holidays historically aren't good draws. Labor Day is worse. A couple of years ago my cousin had patio party tickets for a Labor Day game or the Sunday before, I can't remember, against Boston. There were no more than 20 people total in the patio area. I would guess a lot of the business for that particular area is companies having work outings, and they generally don't have those on holidays or holiday weekends.

If they really wanted to make the upper deck a destination and didn't want to lower the ticket prices, lower the prices on the concession stands up there. Make beer and hot dogs half the price. You still would be turning a profit, and you could use you must be an upper deck ticketholder for entry in the upper deck. Then watch some of the lower deck ticketholders complain about not having access to all the parks amenities. The Sox have no problem selling their most expensive seats. The premium club and premium boxes are all gone with season packages. The problem is their weak locations have pretty high price tags if you aren't using some sort of discount.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 09:12 AM) One thing we don't know is if Beachy + was actually offered for Pence. That would be interesting to ascertain. We may never know, the Nieman/Howell offer TB supposedly gave to STL for Rasmus was determined to be BS. On another note, Rasmus started out 0-8 with 5 strikeouts. Could you imagine what would have been said if the Sox got him and he started out like that? There would have been one person blamed.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 09:10 AM) The Braves are more protective of their pitching prospects than I am a bottle of absolute vodka. If this was true, wouldn't all their pitching prospects be gone?

QUOTE (Lillian @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 08:32 AM) The Braves have a club option at $10.65 Million for next year. If they want to keep him, that is indeed what it will cost. After that, who knows? Of course, the Braves can tell Pence and his agent that they don't want to exercise the option, and would prefer to buy him out for $1.25 million. There is no way they will exercise that option. Alex Rios jaked his way out of Toronto, and is now jaking it in Chicago. I know some team out there probably thinks they could have the perfect situation for him, but they aren't going to take on his contract to find out. If the Sox want to rid themselves of Alex Rios, they are going to have to still pay him a lot of money. I agree with you about Quentin and Pence. If I had my choice, I'd take Quentin myself. Way more potential at huge numbers.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 08:24 AM) 2007 killed our momentum, and then 2009-10 1) Too many overpaid, underproducing veterans 2) No exciting rookies like Viciedo or Beckham (2009) 3) Pretty boring team with no identity and no superstars like the Tigers 4) Top 3-5 pricing/parking in the majors 5) Economy 6) Greg Walker (joking) 7) Natural South Side skepticism 8) It's the 2nd half and we're not a 2nd half team....see 2003, 2006, 2009-10, etc. 9) Tease from last year frustrated everyone when the Twins wiped us out again 10) Upper deck (blah, blah, blah) 11) 4-18 stretch in April/May still in the minds of too many Those all may be valid, but when it comes down to it, the reason is price. Half price Monday had the biggest crowd of the week. People will sit high in the upper deck if its cheap. Although they have a lot of discounts, the Sox have some of the most expensive tickets in baseball, and I don't understand dynamic pricing. It seems ticketmaster and the Sox are on 2 very different pages. Its $77 a sit for a lot of unsolds on dynamic pricing which claims to use supply and demand as its guide, yet a couple of days ago the Sox had a groupon for the same ticket plus patio party for $65.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 07:53 AM) Well, maybe it's more feasible than would appear at first glance. Remember, McLouth will be a free agent at the end of the season, and the Braves would likely have to spend as much to resign him as pay Rios. In the meantime, the Braves would have their defensive replacement for McClouth while he's on the DL. When he comes back they could platoon him with Rios. Next year, their outfield could be pretty good with Heyward, Rios and Quentin. If Nate McLouth's agent can get him a contract like Rios', I need to bring him with me to next review.

QUOTE (Anderson Cooper's Quivering @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 11:15 AM) The whitesox are a bunch of racists. Ignore the latin manager, black GM and jewish owner. I have no idea whether this suit has merit or not, but they aren't accused of being racists and the manager, GM and owner are all men. Full disclosure, I am married to a Labor/Employment Attorney, but she does represent management.

QUOTE (since56 @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 07:44 AM) The White Sox have some big names and are currently in the thick of the chase in the A.L. Central. The weather has been great for night games and the team has been playing well. The northsiders suck and are not a factor. A beautiful Friday night in late July against the Red Sox the house should have been packed. I know we have been down this road before, but why not better attendance? The park is beautiful and the experience is a positive one. I have been to more than a few stadiums around the country and the cell is above average. I don't get it. The way this team played made people disinterested, now that they might be interested, the dynamic pricing model is probably scaring them away. Not a lot of new tickets will be purchased because with dynamic pricing if you look for tickets for the game tonight, it will cost you $77 to sit in the OF. Who is going to pay that? People will just go to Stubhub and buy tickets already sold or just blow the whole thing off. I don't think the box office uses dynamic pricing, but I think most at least look at what is available on line first before heading to the park.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 07:37 AM) I don't follow the Braves, however it looks like they could use help in both CF and one of the corner OF spots. Why not trade them Quentin, and Rios, for some really decent young pitching and one position prospect? If they want Quentin, they have to take Rios, who might even flourish in the N. L. At least he could be as good Coco Crisp, with a lot more upside. I'd hate to lose TCQ, but if it meant unloading Rios, it might be worth it. Maybe we could then use the money saved by shedding the Rios contract to buy Carlos back when he becomes a free agent. That's a great concept, but KW demanding that would either be laughed at or hung up on or both. Considering Rios contract and what Quentin will get in arbitration next year, there aren't a lot of teams, if any, willing to take on that kind of cash, especially considering what reasonably expected production you could expect. I love him, butCQ has his warts, and Rios is a dog.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 12:13 PM) Shedding Rios' salary is not areason to trade Thornton for someone we probably can't use. I think Rios can be dealt by himself. Anything is possible. I was told sometime earlier no one would take Teahan either If someone was willing to take Rios' or Dunn's entire contract, the deal would be done. KW wouldn't waste his time negotiating and giving the other club or clubs any time to change their minds.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 07:48 AM) So by your logic, Kenny has been about the most successful GM in baseball up until now. No. Its his philosophy I have no problem with.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 11:41 PM) I swear there was a tweet back a few pages saying Brown may have not been off limits for Quentin. Regardless, the whole idea of trading Quentin now is to take advantage of desperate teams in a bidding war. If that doesn't happen, there's obviously no reason to trade him. How much better of an acquisition is Carlos Quentin over Carlos Beltran? Granted Beltran is gone most likely in 2 months, you can't offer him arb, but you have to give Quentin arb money next year then he's gone. Wheeler was a pretty good prospect and the Mets had to eat a ton of money to get him.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 11:34 PM) There have been rumors of Domonic Brown + others. No there has not. Those rumors were for Pence, not Quentin and they are rumors so you don't really even know if they are true. A lot of the stuff you read even by respected reporters is BS. The Sox can acquire a ton of prospects this winter if that's the route they choose. This season has been a bummer, but they are a good stretch away from being in first place.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 11:33 PM) I think it also depends on whether or not the casual fan thinks we are in this race, too. Most I know think they suck and have no chance. I'm sure our good friend Joe would be more than happy to spin it into KW and JR giving up on the fans. Taking Quentin out of the Sox line up and not replacing him with a stud hitter would be pulling the plug on this season. I don't know about Viciedo's thumb. I'm very high on him, but to put all that on his back calling him up is ridiculous.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 11:30 PM) Neither of us have any idea if they would trade him for anything less than an absolutely amazing package. If even half the proposed package is ever offered, you do it, no questions asked. Where has there been a proposed package mentioned?

QUOTE (gatnom @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 11:29 PM) Fair point I suppose, despite the condescension. How similar is the pre-2005 fan base to the current, though? I think very similar. I think the bandwagon fans have jumped off.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 11:25 PM) The question then becomes, does trading Quentin for an absolutely amazing package constitute as pulling the plug? You have no idea what is being offered for Carlos Quentin.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 11:23 PM) I hope you don't plan on winning any time in the next few years then. I'm sure the fans would react positively to that, though. What is the best offer on the table right now for Quentin or Thornton?