Dick Allen

The other piece to this trade is De Aza. He's probably not all that good, but he did give the Sox the win today, and, more importantly, he gets Alex Rios off the field. If Dunn gets going, the Sox are in good shape.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 08:03 PM) No, he got scooped by a guy with a direct source inside the White Sox organization. The guy in his mom's basement just happens to follow that guy on twitter. Good thing you don't know him or you'd be out some cash.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 07:59 PM) And what exactly is a "power change up"? Ask Hawk. He explains it about once a week.

In his one year with the Sox, Jackson was 11-9 with a 3.66 ERA. Not bad. Gavin Floyd has never had a season with an ERA that low. John Danks did once. Jackson was a lot better with the Sox than most realize.

The Sox have Frasor/Crain in the pen. Cowley is pissed. Last night he said no way the rumor was true. He got scooped by a guy in his underwear in his mom's basement.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 06:06 PM) Holy f***! If they pick up Rios's contract, someone owes Kenny a BJ. Kenny would owe the Brewers a hot carl. I can't see this happening unless JR, who from what I hear has been very pissed off with Rios, just told KW to get rid of him no matter what the cost.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 06:53 AM) I'm somewhat surprised that so many people think "but Jackson is worth so much!" is a reason why this can't be true. Guess it kinda reminds me of the people who were mad that we didn't get more for Vasquez, as though teams really wanted him Its amazing when he pitches he sucks but if he's getting traded he so valuable. If Edwin Jackson for 2 months is worth as much as a lot of people claim, they really shouldn't be complaining about losing Daniel Hudson for him.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 11:56 PM) I never said every year. I think it's quite clear that people had high expectations for this team coming into the 2011 season and that most thought they were the favorites to win the division. Again, the GM doesn't go out there and pitch or hit. How is KW at fault for the struggles of Adam Dunn? Gordon Beckham? He signed them, he's ultimately responsible. Its about what you do now and in the future, not what you did in the past.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 11:50 PM) Please, PLEASE tell me how a GM goes about doing this. One would be not claiming guys owed $50 million on waivers. Another would be drafting well, another would be ridding the organization of the proverbial sucking off of anything Minnesota Twins. Not overpaying medicre players. Being realistic in expectations. There are several things. You don't play the game on paper. KW has failed the last several years. That's just fact. I'm no fan of Ozzie either. I hope they both go. Its KW's job to determine how they will perform moving forward, not just by what they have done in the past. If that's all it took, the highest payrolls have the best GMs.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 11:49 PM) They ARE pissed when they lose and guys who have struggled KNOW they are struggling and take accountability. But they don't carry it over to the next game. You can't stew about a loss forever. Go out and get the next one. That's not happening. If they are the paper champion every year like you claim, why isn't it translating on the field?

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 11:47 PM) Being a paper champion is all a GM can do. And the bolded pat is absolutely true. People were as optimistic as ever after that game. They scored a ton of runs, Dunn hits a HR in his 2nd AB as a Sox player. Things are gravy. BS. The GM's job is to put together teams that win on the field, not on paper.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 11:44 PM) God no. I completely feel the opposite way. You HAVE to stay loose in baseball. 162 games. A 6 month grind. If you sit and think about everything all the time, you're going to think yourself right out of the MLB. I'd much rather have a clubhouse where guys stay loose than a clubhouse where it's silent and everyone is sitting at their locker quietly. The White Sox perfomance the last few years would make me think otherwise. Lets get some guys who get pissed off when they lose.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 11:44 PM) Couldn't help but laugh at the bolded. The Sox looked on the path of something special after playing great in 1/162nd of their season?! Also, being the favorite before the season is irrelevant. Being a paper champion doesn't get you very far. Don't forget that something special also involved giving up 10 runs.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 11:37 PM) I've been in the Sox clubhouse numerous times. There is never an uptight moment in there. In fact, I've been in there at times when the team has struggled mightily and you'd think the team was on a 20 game win streak. You can't go around and ask 25 guys what they think about adding Player X to the team. KW has said he does ask players about specific guys. If the team acts like they are on a 20 game winning streak when they are struggling, maybe that's part of the problem.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 11:29 PM) Someone called The Score a few weeks back and actually said something very profound. When KW is limited in resources, he actually is better. When he has to go out and find the bargains and be real crafty to make the team better, he finds real good ways to that. But when given a blank check, he isn't as scrupulous in his ways and tends to make big mistakes, which we are seeing now. It wasn't me on the Score, but I mentioned this a couple of years ago. When he had a tight budget and wound up with his plan C or D or E or F, it turned out better than plan A or plan B. The 2005 team is a prime example. He was supposed to sign Vizquel and Jared Wright. Instead he gets lucky Kaz Matsui is a bust so Iguchi is cheap, lets Hawk talk him into signing AJ and not sticking with Ben Davis, and signs El Duque with in turn helped Jose Contreras.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 11:13 PM) Assuming this is true . . . So it's a good trade for KW because it dumps Teahen's salary yet the Teahen extension was a tremendous f***up on KW's behalf that next to no one thought was a good idea at the time? I love how KW makes bad trades to cover up for bad trades, that's been his MO over the past few years. So 6 years of Dan Hudson for a season's worth of good production from Jackson (which won us nothing), 2 months of Frasor, a probable mediocre prospect and maybe Type B compensation. Must we give away good starting pitching in every f***ing trade? Go over budget spending a s*** ton of money on players who don't produce so then you're apparently forced to dump good starting pitching for a reliever, a prospect that I assume will be mediocre and a supp. pick in a god damn seller's market because your team sucks and thus attendance is s*** and you need to start slashing payroll. I pray the prospect is good but I don't see why Toronto would throw in a minor leaguer that's worth a damn, it makes no sense. That's it in a nutshell. But it was KW's screw up that got this snowball rolling. That's why I hope if JR decides to go young he lets someone else make the decisions. Why reward KW with 4 or 5 years of employment trying to fix the mess he created? Hopefully JR learned something when he gave Jerry Krause a free pass.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:59 PM) Yeah, and then I will admit I was dead wrong. But why don't we compile a list of SP's available with an ERA under 4 in the AL right now? You do realize Edwin Jackson is most likely a 2 month rental or will cost a ton next year, and while ultra talented his performance has been far from consistent. You really don't know what you would be getting. You may get 2 months of Cy Young calibur pitching or 5th starter numbers, if that. Teams are going away from giving top prospects for those types anymore. Look at the crap Cleveland got for CC, a far surer bet.

QUOTE (kapzk @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:58 PM) If this trade is true wouldn't Toronto still be able to move Jackson b4 the deadline as well? Maybe its a 3 way trade.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:55 PM) I doubt "my boy" would talk about how the White Sox players are proving so popular on the marketplace and then go trade his main chip for Jason Frasor and a prospect yet to be named, on a Tuesday night. If it's really salary they need to dump, they can do it relatively easily. Unless they were getting an absolute can't miss prospect in the deal, it sure does seem like a head-scratcher to do this deal now rather than make the parties bid the market up higher as the deadline grows nearer. Only way you make this deal now is if the spect is an absolute stud. And given that we haven't heard his name yet, I highly doubt that. If they did this trade I think it shows that Jackson wasn't as highly coveted as you think.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:53 PM) Probably because it'd be a pure salary dump and a horrendous trade(unless that prospect is legit). Jason Frasor has been as good as Jesse Crain the last 3 years. I think he's a FA after this year, but maybe he'd stay. Its not like they would be getting a stiff. The Sox need another reliever. Crain's arm is about ready to fall off. They really don't need 6 starters. I hope its true. There are some oddities about it, like why isn't it announced right now, but maybe they want to see medical records or something.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:49 PM) $4 million? You don't don't think they could salary dump to the Red Sox or Yankees and actually get someone worth a s*** back in return? Jason Frasor is pretty good. He can help them this year. Not only that, they dump Mark Teahen. I can't believe your boy may make his best trade in a while and you are thinking about tearing down your shrine to him.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:44 PM) This is nonsense. If it's true, I am ready for this regime to be through. But I'd bet about $5000 it's bs. Yeah, what I don't understand is why De Aza gets pulled from a minor league game, but Teahen a guy in the deal plays. Unless they just wanted to make sure De Aza was in Chicago tonight because of the early game tomorrow. If it is true, I give the trade a big thumbs up. The Sox sure could use the $4 million they blew on Manny last year for no apparent reason.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:39 PM) And who replaces him in the rotation? Fellow named Humber.

This would be a good move. Frasor will help lessen Crain's load. The bullpen should be nails. I don't know what people reastically think the Sox could get for 2 months of Jackson, and they get rid of Teahen's contract. Beautiful if its true.

QUOTE (Friend of Nordhagen @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:23 PM) You're right. We should've expected Valverde to cool off the perpetually hot Alex Rios. Rios bats like Buerhle pitches, like he has his car double parked on 35th St. He can't wait to get out of there.