Dick Allen

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ May 17, 2011 -> 08:49 PM) For those who care, Viciedo is now 2/3 tonight with a BB. Hitting .322 now. He can't help. Ozzie would have to play him every day. Guys who aren't hitting would have to sit. That is out of the question.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 17, 2011 -> 08:28 PM) Endy Chavez needed 3 rangers of's to get hurt before he got a starting role, and he's still outplaying Pierre. Everyone in baseball is outplaying Pierre.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 17, 2011 -> 08:20 PM) Dunn chases ball 4, that's after Alexei swung at a face high pitch. I hope we get shut out if it means Walker's one step closer to being canned. Yeah, Walker has them brainwashed to swing at everything. C'mon.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 17, 2011 -> 08:09 PM) Hitting coaches have no effect on players whatsoever. They literally get paid to sit around and do nothing. What has Don Cooper done to John Danks?

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ May 16, 2011 -> 09:34 PM) Dick, if things keep going the way they are, meaning with the way Pierre is handling things up here at the big league level, and with Viciedo just tearing it up at AAA, something has to give at some point. Just when is "that point" do you think, in your judgement? I was told by someone yesterday Viciedo was being called up today, so I assumed Pierre would sit for a while. Then I read Ozzie's comments after yesterday's game. Unless KW takes Pierre off the roster, Ozzie is going with Pierre. I feel a KW/Ozzie blow up if Pierre doesn't start playing better soon. Its been 40 games and they are going to be over 10 games back. I've been with the guys preching patience, but its to the point where you have to show you can contribute now or sit down.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ May 16, 2011 -> 09:30 PM) One gets the impression that Hawk is going out of his way to promote Viciedo on recent telecasts. They have to do something and Viciedo has shown he's one of the better hitters in the organization, the major league club included. Its ridiculous if they make him keep taking batting practice in AAA because they don't want to hurt Juan Pierre's feelings.

Pierre making the routine seem difficult. If the Sox truly are "all in" its time they put a better player in the line up.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ May 16, 2011 -> 09:18 PM) Rios under .200 now crips. I'm hoping its his toe, but if not, crips is right when you consider how much and how long they have to pay him.

Its so bad Hawk is getting aroused when the ball comes within 10 feet of going out.

Boring games and cold weather mean lots of empty green seats for JR.

Did Jim Thome ever have a 40 game stretch with the Sox where he was as unproductive as Dunn has been? Dunn needs to start earning his check.

I was told by someone who knows someone that Viciedo was coming up today, and I assumed it was for Teahen, but Viciedo was in Charlotte's line up tonight before it was PPD. Like was mentioned above, you would think if they were going to replace Teahen, they would have had someone in Chicago before the game today, so apparently the Tank is going to be staying in Charlotte.

Viciedo is getting called up tomorrow. I believe Teahen will be DL'd. It will be interesting to see how and if Ozzie uses him.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 14, 2011 -> 01:11 PM) Now you're comparing the careers of Peña and Dunn, as if they're similar. Peña has been crap for quite some time, but he's been less crappy than Gray. But this year, Gray was noticeably outperforming him. Dunn is a consistent league leader in HR's and OBP. Let's not act like Dunn/Lillibridge and Peña/Gray are even remotely similar circumstances. They are the same. You're basing it on 10 IP.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 14, 2011 -> 08:43 AM) All though I am shocked he got claimed so quickly. It was the Mariners and he was impressive against them. If Tony Pena was making the minimum or near which is what I assume Gray is making, he'd get claimed.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 14, 2011 -> 01:06 PM) No, it's about two guys who have been better this season getting the shaft to the detriment of the team. And it doesn't have to be a difference of several wins. If you haven't noticed, we're a pretty s***ty team according to our record. We have absolutely no room for error, so we must put our very best options out there. And moving forward Tony Pena is a better option than Jeff Gray. Lillibridge is having a better season than Dunn. Why shouldn't he be in RF batting 3rd and Quentin DHing? Jeff Gray is not as good as Tony Pena.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 14, 2011 -> 11:50 AM) Money. And as far as I'm concerned, all of your other points are as much speculation as you consider the original story. It all urban legend. Just find one legit story on it. You'll never find it. Someone threw it out on some message board and if that happens it has to be true.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 14, 2011 -> 11:56 AM) I'm so sick of the small-mindedness from people who act like they don't understand what people are angry about. Nobody is upset that Jeff Gray is gone. Nobody believes he is some great reliever. We're upset because he was sent packing in favor of a worse player. You all understand this, but it's more fun to create a straw man argument and tear it apart. WAH JEFF GRAY IS THE BESTEST PICTURE EVER WHY DID WE KICK HIM OUT11!!! Its not a straw man argument. Its common sense. It would be like if the Sox needed to get rid of a position player Dunn wouldn't be sent packing even though he's been far worse this year than almost everyone else. Its what is projected. Pena did some nice things at some point during each of his White Sox seasons. Moving forward, he's a much better bet to perform decently than Jeff Gray. If anything, the small-minded thinking is "hey this guy did pretty good in garbage time he needs to be kept" or the "a message has to be sent" garbage. I don't now how anyone can come to the conclusion that without a doubt Jeff Gray is a better pitcher than Tony Pena.

QUOTE (hawksfan61 @ May 13, 2011 -> 12:32 PM) Yikes. The whole thing between Hawk and Wimpy is pretty low of Hawk, but to call the guy a piece of human garbage? Did he run over your dog or something? It's one thing not to like his announcing, but that doesn't make him a bad guy. Its never been confirmed the story was even true, but haters are gonna hate, so if you're not a fan of Hawk, there's no chance it isn't true. I have a hard time believing Wimpy would ever sit next to him again if it were true, and while Wimpy is a very nice man, he has had a dark side, perhaps caused by no fault of his own. I'd give the chances of the story being true less than 1%. Wimpy wouldn't have called Hawk to tell him he was quitting. He wouldn't have called him on Hawk Harrelson day, and he certainly wouldn't be working with him now if it were true, apology or not.

Its not what you've done the last couple weeks, its what they project you will do the rest of the season. The odds are pretty good that Pena will have a stretch of 13 innings with a 2.70 ERA this year, and they are pretty good that Gray will have a stretch of 10 innings where his ERA is 8.10. As bad as Pena has been, he's a better and more valuable pitcher than Jeff Gray.

People are upset about losing Jeff Gray? Jeff Gray? Really? People, he did fine, but it was 13 innings in garbage time. If he was as valuable as you think, the White Sox wouldn't have had to place him on waivers, they could have traded him for something, anything, but apparently no team was willing to give KW anything.

Pierre fights almost every ball that is hit to him. He's not sure he can catch it, and the Angels are smart, they run on him at will, hopefully other teams will not follow suit. It amazes me teams don't make Pierre throw them out at second more often.

They have to get Pierre off the field. Viciedo time.

Maybe Dunn is just real streaky. Last year at this point he had 6 homers and was hitting .230. He had an awful second half but still had good overall numbers. He must put up most of his numbers in a short period of time.

Wimpy will be in the booth with Hawk this weekend.