Dick Allen

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 03:04 PM) Probably, I definitely watched him as a kid but by that time he was on other teams, no idea that Lance went by that. Four 4 or 5 years the Sox had Johnson in CF and Raines in LF. They were perhaps the 2 worst OF arms in baseball, yet they won most of the time.

QUOTE (ChWRoCk2 @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 03:29 PM) I'm confused, I thought they changed the overtime rules so that a TD is an automatic win in OT and field goal allows the other team to get the ball for a posession? There's been proposals like that over the years, but nothing has changed yet.

Has icing the kicker ever worked?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 03:17 PM) Set a career high in SB's because Ozzie was running him all the time though. He covered a lot of ground in LF, but there's less overall ground to cover in LF than in CF. He's had fewer SB and more CS plenty of times in his career. He would be fine in CF. Not a GG, but good enough to get by, and a lot better than some of the trash the White Sox have thrown out there the past 6 or 7 years. I don't think a guy with 68 SB can really have lost 2 steps.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 03:02 PM) Pierre has however Definitely lost a step or two since 2007. That was plainly obvious last year. I don't know about that. He covered a lot of ground in LF and set a career high in SB.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 02:58 PM) Pierre is getting to about the same age. The fact that he was an ok CF a few years back doesn't mean he wouldn't be a liability there now. Plus, he's never really been anything more than average in CF, and the last time he spent significant time there was 2007. His arm isn't any worse than it was. It can't be. Its like Konerko losing a step. He covered some ground in LF. There's no reason to think he would be any worse next year. If the fielding bible means anything, they had Rios the 15th best defensive CF in 2010. That's pretty average.

Now just don't turn the ball over.

Peanut cannot let him get the first down. I know he gets more than his fair share of strips, but Peanut is one guy I'm looking forward to not having see play every Sunday, hopefully soon.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 02:36 PM) Lance also started transitioning into being a part-time player at age 33. That's because he was injured. I have no idea what that has to do with Pierre.

Cutler earned his paycheck the last drive.

Cutler had a month to throw that ball. Nice play.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 02:26 PM) Wait, what? You must be too young to remember Lance Johnson.

Cutler threw it away. That's actually progress.

If the Bears don't get better players, its not going to matter who the coach is next year.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 02:18 PM) Sometimes it seems Cutler gets into a mode where you know it's just a matter of time before he turns it over. He threw 4 straight terrible passes that all could have been intercepted prior to that fumble. He had been playing a very good game prior to that string of plays (besides the missed Forte TD). Up to this point in his career, he's a talent but not a winning player. Maybe someday it will change, but some guys have a knack for doing things to win games, some guys have a knack for screwing things up at the most inopportune times. It looks like he's going to have to make some plays in the 4th or the Bears are going to lose.

The Sheriff needs to hold on to the ball.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 01:45 PM) Pierre would be terrible in CF, he would give up a huge amount of runs with that arm of his. One Dog played CF a long time for the White Sox. His arm was equally as bad.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 12:44 PM) On top of that...what quality CF would be available who is better than Rios and somehow at a lower price? It doesn't do too much to help the system if you trade Rios away, but then take everything you've gotten back for Rios and more and trade that away to re-fill that CF hole. Perhaps a Jacoby Ellsbury. They can also go for a LF or RF and move Pierre to CF. If Rios hits like he hit the 2nd half of the year, his contract is dead weight.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 08:16 AM) In the immediate terms, it is the quickest way, especially if people are serious about wanting to rebuild the farm system you were complaining about in another thread. I suppose its impossible to trade for a CF or a LF and move Pierre back to CF. Thanks for the info. I must be real stupid, but I'm glad you're around to help me out. I'm glad you called me out for complaining about the farm system. I suppose I'm unique.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 01:12 PM) Keith Law came out with his top 50 Free Agents list. Not surprisingly, Konerko isn't viewed highly in Law's eyes. He ranks Konerko as the 12th best Free Agent, behind the likes of Jake Westbrook, Jorga De La Rosa, Andy Pettite, and a couple other LOL names. About Konerko he describes Konerko as "The biggest time-bomb in this class as a low-defense, old man slugger". He says that whoever signs him will be an overpay based on his name, and says Konerko is very close to "the cliff". If you just read Keith Law and not watched any games, you would think the White Sox lose 120 games a season. Somehow, someway, KW must have done something to really piss Mr. Law off.

I know the article says the Sox are trying to re-sign both, but if they haven't made offers when they had exclusivity with them, it would seem the title of the article may not be accurate.

I love Paulie and have defending him many times, but realistically, while many of the people who wanted Paulie sent packing the last few years and wanted the Sox to eat a lot of his contract to have that become reality, are now, Paulie must be re-signed people, chances are the pendulum will swing back the other way. Paulie has the thumb issue that can pop up at any time. If he signs for what some "experts" are speculating, you can't blame the Sox for taking a pass.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 6, 2010 -> 05:13 PM) Seriously, go look at the list of FA outfielders. Outside of Werth and Crawford who should get significantly more than $12 mil, who would actually interest you? Melky Cabrera? Jerry Hairston? Outside of those 2, I don't see anyone on the market who got 400+ AB's last year. Going by at bats, the next 3 down are David Dejesus, Coco Crisp, Jim Edmonds, and Andruw Jones. Those guys put up OPS's close to .800 or even above, but there's a reason they didn't finish off a full season. Rick Ankiel? Willy tavares? Willy Bloomquist? Basically, if you want a full time CF, you're bidding on Werth or Crawford, or you better have a platoon partner for the guy. So the only way to acquire players is through FA? If your hopes are the Sox will fill holes with high priced free agents, you haven't been paying attention for years. The last time they gave another team's FA more than 20 million was 14 years ago.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 6, 2010 -> 05:15 PM) That's a fascinating way of minimizing Gio. I like Gio, but the Sox had 6 picks of the first 70 picks and 6 years later all they have to show for it is a bloated contract with Mark Teahen. Why is it teams like Boston find the Pedroias or the Bards and the White Sox get the Lumsdens and Whislers? I don't think its just luck. I'm happy you're satisfied with the Sox drafts over the years, and especially statisfied they had 3 or 4 guys have a cup of coffee in the big leagues when they could have drafted a future MVP or other useful parts. Maybe you are related to Duane Schaffer, but anyway you slice it, the 2004 draft was weak.

QUOTE (Paint it Black @ Nov 6, 2010 -> 08:18 PM) Intangibles are worthless. Especially when your average and on base% are nearly one in the same. Did you know the Texas Rangers, the AL Champions, catchers hit .212 and had an OPS nearly 100 points lower than AJ? Working with a pitching staff is THE most important thing a catcher does. The days of Ivan Rodriquez-like steroid-fueled numbers are ova.