Dick Allen

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 30, 2010 -> 06:53 PM) I missed where he said he did keep it quiet. no action taken by the team would indicate Oney not expressing them his concerns. If its all about be loyal to the White Sox, something Oney mentioned with Bernstein, shouldn't, your closer has a huge drinking problem be given to the team, not to the world after the season is over? The 2 were not buddies, at least for a couple of years. Oney likes to name drop on twitter all the time. He has never mentioned hanging with Jenks. I think we can both agree Oney is an ass. What we disagree on is Ozzie's role with that. I'm not calling for Ozzie's head over this, although I have seen guys get canned for far less, I just think if Oney respects Ozzie as much as he claims, if Ozzie really wanted these things to stop, they would stop.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 30, 2010 -> 04:22 PM) i agree with this. As I've said before, if this is what happened Ozzie, should be in some trouble, but not fired yet. The problem with firing him for this is proving the source was Ozzie. If what rock said is true (and I don't doubt him) that Oney and Jenks were friends and went out together alot, there is sufficient enough doubt that only source could have been Ozzie. If they were such good friends and Oney thought Jenks had a drinking problem, why did he keep it quiet from the White Sox? Or at the very least, why didn't he try to get Jenks to get some help? Oney was ripping Jenks all last season. They weren't the buddies some are making them out to be.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 30, 2010 -> 05:17 PM) This a great point. If Ozzie is responsible for Oney, many of the people in this thread need to be putting their mommy's and daddy's in this thread so we can talk to your responsible party's. I do know how my father would have reacted if Twitter was around when I was Oney's age and I went on the rampages he's been on even calling out Ozzie's boss and it was as public as this is, my dad wouldn't say "he's a grown man, he's entitled to his opinion" He would make sure I never did that again. IMO, Ozzie could get Oney to stop if he really wanted him to stop. I think Ozzie actually likes it when Oney goes on a tear. All Ozzie needs to say is he doesn't agree with Oney's rant, and also ban Oney from USCF and any park the White Sox play in. That will leave no doubt that Oney will not have access to information he shouldn't have access.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Dec 30, 2010 -> 02:59 PM) I understand that you hate Ozzie and want him gone. Oney Guillen is a 25 year old human being, what's Ozzie susposse to do, bend him over a knee and give him a spanking? Telling him to shut up or his allowance will be cut off would probably do the job.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 29, 2010 -> 10:06 PM) He said specifically the crying incident didn't happen this year. OK, but then how did he know about the marital problems and the drinking problems and the self diagnosis fantom injury? You don't really believe Oney is being straight when saying he doesn't discuss any White Sox stuff with Ozzie do you? Its not like Ozzie has ever been known to keep secrets. KW doesn't even discuss what he's working on with him anymore because Ozzie eventually leaks it. That said, I think everything will be fine if Ozzie steps up and gets Oney out of the picture once and for all.

Oney said he hasn't been in the White Sox clubhouse for over a year.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 29, 2010 -> 07:14 PM) That's the same thing I wondered, because it does make a difference in this story. If Oney is talking about things that he saw, versus things that his dad told him, it changes things for me. I asked Oney on Twitter, and he claims all of the tweets are about things he observed himself. He was stuttering pretty much when Bernstein was grilling him and basically downplayed the "one thing" in the manager's office. I advise everyone to listen to the interview. Oney is a bigger dope than I ever thought.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Dec 29, 2010 -> 06:50 PM) How do you know that Guillen told Oney this? Oney and Jenks like to party. In 2005 at the video unveiling Oney was there with Jenks and Cotts. I find it more plausible that Jenks and Oney were drinking buddies moreso than Guillen sitting around airing the clubhouse news over dinner. Read Oney's tweets. He mentions how Jenks went to the manager with his problems, then let everyone hear about them. I admittedly enjoyed the tweets yesterday, but iamshack is right on here. There's really no defending what he's done, and even if Jenks "deserved" it, some things should be left unsaid. Its been an unwritten rule forever in sports, what happens in the clubhouse stays in the clubhouse. Oney has a right to stick up for his father, but some things are off limits. Just about everyone has problems, and eventually a lot of guys have problems with Ozzie, there's reasons he was voted manager players would least like to play for. As long as everything is going smoothly, I'm sure Ozzie is a riot to be around and play for, but every team and every playerhits bumps. A lot more of them have serious issues than you realize. Oney shouldn't be tweeting aboutwhat happens in the White Sox clubhouse. He doesn't work there, I don't believe he's even allowed in anymore. Listen to Oney's score interview, and then remember what he tweeted about KW and his kid. Its beyond hypocritical.

QUOTE (Saufley @ Dec 29, 2010 -> 04:54 PM) So who becomes the new manager, of the Sox, when Ozzie is asked to leave? Joey Cora? According to Oney, Joey would never dis Ozzie like that.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 29, 2010 -> 09:18 AM) That's not the message this sends. The message this sends is that if you don't want your dirty laundry aired...then keep your own mouth shut. Ripping the team that knows all your dirty laundry? That's moronic. Every one in that locker room suffered last year because of Bobby's problems, and every one of them kept their mouths shut. Bobby Jenks left, and immediately decided that he couldn't keep his mouth shut, and blamed the people who were covering for him. What is shows is if you go to Ozzie with a personal situation he likes to discuss it over dinner with the rest of his family. If, for some reason, you want to jab Ozzie in the future, and by no means do I think what Jenks did was right, then you will be subject to Oney airing out all of your personal laundry. It really isn't good.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 28, 2010 -> 10:19 PM) Remember at the beginning of the season when everyone was saying that the Bears had no chance because they had such a tough schedule? Remember how, going into week 17, the Bears have been said to be lucky and won the "equivalent to the MAC"? When the Bears were 4-3 I was watching Chicago Tribune Live. John Moon Mullin predicted the Bears would go 10-6, everyone on the panel tried laughing him off the set. They said no way. They will be lucky to win 2 more games.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Dec 28, 2010 -> 06:56 PM) Cowley style somewhat tasteless joke but I don't see how this confirms anything. Pretty sure Colwey found out about it from Oney like the rest of us. Its the same source from which he gets the rest of his White Sox-related info, why should this be any different? While I am enjoying Oney's tweets at the moment, I do know they are wrong, and a bigger issue may be why does Oney know what goes on in Ozzie's office when its a private conversation between Ozzie and a player? This really may come back to bite Ozzie in the ass.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 28, 2010 -> 06:32 PM) I think Ozzie needs to muzzle the kid. The White Sox cannot continue to have someone with this much personal information about the players spewing it uncontrollably via Twitter. Eventually, it's going to have a major negative affect on the White Sox, including having players refusing to play for Ozzie Guillen because his son can't keep his mouth shut and respect their privacy. I'm sure you are correct. Maybe its because there was a 99.99 percent chance this was going to get ugly, and maybe its because Jenks started it, but I'm actually not annoyed with Oney's tweets for the first time ever.

QUOTE (Brian @ Dec 28, 2010 -> 06:13 PM) Oney owning Bobby on twitter and I hate Oney I don't think much of Oney either and think he's really going over the line here with some info. Am I wrong for loving it?

I like to see Ozzie and KW ripped as much as anyone, but Bobby Jenks has absolutely no reason to gripe about the White Sox. He isn't very bright.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 26, 2010 -> 04:49 PM) Which is why the org tried moving Viciedo to 1b to start last season, traded for Mark Teahen, and spent $15 million extending Teahen. Morel has been a nice surprise, and Viciedo was moved back there last year because of Teahen's implosion, but really, they went out and traded for Teahen because they didn't want Viciedo at 3b and they thought Teahen would be a defensive upgrade there. Viciedo's going to need years in the minors to become an adequate 3b, and his bat doesn't belong there. Why then does KW have Viciedo working out at 3B daily this offseason with Joey Cora? That's the spot he can find major league playing time in 2011. I'm sure he's been told that. He appears to be a guy that needs a carrot in front of his nose for maximum results.

Chris Sale has 33 IP under his belt as a professional. Any talk he would be just fine as a #5 starter is total speculation. He was great in his 23 innings of relief for the Sox in 2010. While there is reason to be optimistic he can be a good pitcher for the Sox going forward, to think he would be a real successful starter in 2011 is ludicruous. Another year in the bullpen isn't going to kill him.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 25, 2010 -> 08:25 PM) From what I have been told, they absolutely love Morel. I think they're going to give him every opportunity to lock down the job unless some obvious and clear upgrade becomes available. It could be the next big KW/Ozzie showdown. KW loves Viciedo. Ozzie loves Morel. If Viciedo shows he can play a solid 3B, there's a reason Cora is working daily with him this offseason, there's going to be more conflict.

KW loves Viciedo. I would be shocked if he traded him. He's been working out with Cora this winter at 3B. He obviously has to play there or a corner OF spot. If he can be decent at 3B, it will really help the offense IMO. Vizquel could spell him in late innings. Morel may be able to hit in the major leagues someday, he's hit pretty well in the minors, I just think throwing him at 3B in 2011 on a team who has a marketing slogan "All In" is a recipe for failure at the plate not for just 2011 but perhaps longer, no matter his defensive prowess. See 2006, Anderson, Brian.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 25, 2010 -> 11:36 AM) With all the injuries and illness in 2010, I'd be shocked if the system doesn't take some nice steps forward in 2011. But sadly, I have to agree that this is a bottom tier system as it stands in terms of current talent. That does NOT mean that the system's VALUE is bottom tier, necessarily. Sale and Beckham cruised all the way through, and many prospects were traded for major league talent - these rankings simply don't take that into account. What it does do, assuming the rest of baseball agrees with this analysis, is handcuffs them for midseason additions in 2011 unless some of these guys play a lot better. Alsi assuming they will be at the mark they cannot add salary, and with not much impressive talent to deal, it will be next to impossible to acquire anything major during the season without giving up a big piece of your current team.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 22, 2010 -> 06:28 PM) How much basketball have you played with or against men OR women at the college level? How much time have you spent watching women's college B-Ball at the D1 level, in person? And I see you moved the goal posts. Mid-level team is now a district final team. When I was at the U of Iowa, they had really good women's teams. C Vivian Stringer was the coach and I think they played in the finals at least once, and were always ranked high. Some of them would come to the Fieldhouse to play pick up games, and the guys I played with, I'd would imagine we would have made up a pretty good high school team, although we had no plays, and we didn't practice together etc. beat them pretty easily. Face it, its a big deal if there's a girl 6'5" who could dunk. There's a lot of guys playing college intramurals who played on average high school teams who could do that. I don't want to take anything away from UConn's accomplishment. It is pretty incredible, but probably at least 95% if not more of Division 1 women's players wouldn't make their high school's All Conference squad if they played on the boys team.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 20, 2010 -> 06:30 PM) I will say the Brewers have no margin for error from the top 6 in their lineup. Because right now you're looking at a 7-8-9 of Gomez, Betancourt and the pitcher. That will definitely be the "go take a s***" inning when those three come up. Betancourt can hit an occassional homer, but you're right, its not a very scary bottom of the order.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 19, 2010 -> 11:02 PM) I think his argument would only hold up against truly one-dimensional, pull-hitters like Thome, but only in a park like Oakland would you even consider it. In his case, the 1B would hug the line and same with RF. But again, I think you'd only consider it for the ultra-predictable guys like Thome who, for whatever reason, won't try to help the team and hit it the other way. How many of Thome's HR were hit to CF or LC? Ted Williams never hit the ball the other way.

You get his services for 2 years, probably 2 draft picks if he goes elsewhere and can use the money it will take to extend him on someone else if necessary. You don't have to trade him, unless you're planning on not winning, then trading him makes a lot of sense. Milwaukee just gave up 4 pretty good prospects to pick up a pitcher in the same boat because they are trying to win.

Its the smaller field, so less "ducksnorts", and and easier OF to cover. There are very few triples at USCF as well.