Dick Allen

QUOTE (Big Daddy Kool @ Nov 30, 2010 -> 07:57 AM) http://twitter.com/TracyRingolsby/status/9456719818129408 Silly to talk about Rockies and Gavin Floyd. White Sox would only want Dexter Fowler and Ian Stewart. Obviously he was being sarcastic and thinks those 2 will be stars. Good for him. I wish we could see what kind of offers KW is receiving for Floyd if he is dangling him. He's getting Juan Uribe money the next 3 years. With pitching at a premium, you can't tell me KW couldn't get a more surefire package than Fowler and Stewart.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Nov 30, 2010 -> 01:25 AM) Fowler was rated ahead of Gordon in various publications (i.e. BA) before they lost their prospect status in 2009. He's supremely talented. Let's not pick apart a player's splits after less than 2 years in the bigs at age 23 and 24. Kind of silly. Especially when that split you are using improved greatly from his rookie year to his second year (K rate away from home). Call it silly all you want, but his splits became more pronounced in 2010. His OPS wasn't even .600 in games not played in Coors Field. You don't trade Gavin Floyd for maybes. Jorge De La Rosa will make $11 million more than Floyd the next 3 seasons. Compare them.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Nov 29, 2010 -> 11:06 PM) Looks like we aren't the only ones thinking Stewart/Fowler for Floyd. Apparently Kenny is as well: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/11/rockies-rumors.html Fowler's OPS is .221 better at Coors for his career. A strikeout machine and a 4th OF for a guy who makes hardly any coin. KW can do better than that, and I don't even like Gavin Floyd.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 29, 2010 -> 10:49 PM) Gloat away, Dick. I guess you should be the only guy who is happy to see him do well. For a guy who "has always loved Juan", I sure didn't see you posting anything positive when I was being ripped for defending him. If you loved him, wouldn't you have stuck up for him? I love Uribe, but that contract is not going to work out so well for the Dodgers. Teams are spending some money this year.

Will Scott Linebrink become this loved when he becomes an ex White Sox? Uribe was another guy who was pounded on this board. All of a sudden, the amount of people who always loved him has grown faster than the deficit.

QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Nov 27, 2010 -> 07:27 PM) Rogers is really down on Mitchell in this report and I surmise that he believes his speed and potential will NEVER come back just because he struggled in the AFL, seems way to over critical at this point...... I don't know what the ultimate prognosis is, but if Mitchell has permanently lost a step or two, it is pretty huge. Phil has to quit crying about the Sox "cash grab" going to Las Vegas to play games and having Mitchell hurt in a game he probably wouldn't have played. He was injured playing baseball. That is what he is paid to do. Isn't the idea to get as much experience for young players as possible? Freak injuries happen. Hopefully Mitchell can overcome this. The AFL was a disaster for him, but he hadn't played at all for a while, so give him a break on that. If he's still slowed during spring training and during the season next year and isn't hitting, then its probably panic time.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 12:06 PM) They aren't actually assessing a monetary value that, but instead using a monetary figure to help correlate performance on the field to how much it is worth given market conditions. They aren't suggesting that the Giants should have paid Bonds $37.8 million in 2004, but they are instead showing how good he was offensively using his WAR multiplied by the price teams pay for 1 win share. Bonds was a 12.2 WAR player in 2004 - meaning he was worth just over 12 wins all by himself - and teams paid $3.1 million per win share (price of win share, or pWS) in 2004; thus, Bonds' WAR*pWS = $37.8 mill. Mark Kotsay was a bad player, and I don't think it's really debatable that his presence on the team cost the Sox wins. Thus, he has a negative WAR. Taking his WAR*pWS = some negative number. He's not actually worth negative dollars, but instead it helps compare how bad he was. But even their monetary value is off. Its silly to say Jose Contreras' 10-17 5.52 ERA season is a 10.6 million performance fangraphs gave it in 2007, and his 2009 6-13 with a 4.92 ERA an 11 million dollar performance.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 27, 2010 -> 10:05 AM) Absolutely it does. It also probably creates more injuries and exposes your weaknesses more. But this loss to Nevada does not prove anything in regards to the argument you are making. What it does show is Boise State doesn't deserve to play for a championship and the president of Ohio State had a point. I have a hard time believing Boise State is ranked anywhere near the top 15 if they played a schedule that featured at least 8 or 9 games they actually could lose if they played poorly. They really only had 2 or 3 tests. Va Tech, but they caught them at the right time, as Va Tech lost to James Madison the following week. After that they hadn't played anyone ranked in the top 20 until yesterday. I understand their position. But if you really want to play for national titles you need to join a better conference.

I was reading NBA salaries. The Bulls are 26th in the NBA in salary this year, yet are at the cap. Their payroll is $56 million. The only teams lower are Sacremento, LA Clippers, Cleveland and Minnesota. It would be chaos if they ever installed a hard cap in the NBA.

I think Jeter's name alone would get him a bigger contract than the Yankees are offering him, but I don't think anyone really believes he would actually leave the Yankees, therefore will not get a legitimate offer.

Paulie is a great guy and has been a great player in a White Sox uniform. Comparing him to Jeter though is ridiculous. First off, 95% of this board wanted Paulie gone and wanted the Sox to pay at least part of his contract to do so before 2010. Secondly, the White Sox don't throw money around like the Yankees. I think giving Paulie a 3 year $45 million contract will eventually be regrettable. Giving Jeter $20 million a year and he stinks the place up wouldn't be much of a blow to the Yankees. They have made a lot of money because of him.If you go by the 2010 season alone, Paulie is probably more valuable, but like him or not, Jeter is a first ballot HOFer.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 25, 2010 -> 11:02 AM) Jordan was also put together a little bigger then Rose. Not in thoses days. He was a skinny 6'4 1/2" guy. Derrick Rose is much stronger than a 23 year old MJ

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 25, 2010 -> 10:14 AM) The one thing about the Bulls is they are going to have to start getting something from the second string. Guys are playing a ton of minutes right now. I'd be really afraid especially of Rose wearing down as the season goes on. At least with Boozer, you know help is coming for the front line. There isn't that in the backcourt. Hell Rose played just about 100 minutes the last two games of a back to back. Its possible, but without Boozer, Rose is the scoring option. So when Boozer comes back, Rose's minutes, while they might not get cut, should be a little less strenuous. He's averaging 38.9 minutes a game and he's 22. Michael Jordan averaged at least 40 minutes a game for 4 years straight starting when he was 23 and only missed one game. Rose loves to play, and is anit-Lebron in the sense you'll never hear he's playing too much out of his mouth. I think DRose has as good of an attitude as any professional athlete.

The Bullies are fun to watch. It will be interesting to see how long it takes for them to get used to Boozer, and while I believe Miami will be there at the end, they are far from invincible. Orlando has a nice roster, but in close games HackaHoward is a nice option. I think the grind of the season is going to take a toll on the Celtics. The Bulls have a shot. It wouldn't surprise me to see them add another scorer at the shooting guard position sometime during the season. I guess John Paxson wasn't such an idiot for drafting Joakim Noah. It wasn't too long ago many thought Spencer Hawes was a far better option. I remember watching the Chicago Tribune Live show and Kaplan would make cracks about Noah all the time, calling any of his effort fake hustle. If it was fake hustle it isn't anymore. He's a man.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 25, 2010 -> 12:15 AM) What if they did Konerko, Jenks and AJ, for Dunn and DLEE? DLee is a cheap alternative if Paulie is gone. He plays good defense. Is a solid citize, Ozzie knows and loves him from his days with the Marlins. He could have a bounce back year like Paulie in 2010. Its a downgrade offensively, at least from Paulie's 2010, but it makes too much sense if Paulie doesn't come back.

I'm not a big Gavin Floyd guy, but you don't trade him for someone or something that potentially may be good. You trade him for something that is good. The fascination with others' mediocrity is incredible.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 08:59 PM) I'd say Konerko in the fall of 05 was a big signing of an unrestricted FA. Yes, but the Sox haven't given another team's FA more than $20 million since December 1996.

QUOTE (knightni @ Nov 24, 2010 -> 04:18 AM) Of course, Dunn may not want to sign if he can only be the DH. His agent may request a clause in the deal where if he doesn't play "X" amount of games in the field that the last one or two years of his deal are voided. I would doubt that.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Nov 24, 2010 -> 06:16 AM) I only watched Dunn play 1st base when the Nats were playing the Sox, but I can agree that he is not a good defensive 1st baseman. But, could imagine how small he could make The Cell look? I think his "bad" side (the glove) is more than compensated by his "good" side (the bat). If the Sox are parting ways with Konerko (and signs are pointing in that direction), I'd be more than happy with Dunn as his replacement. He spent a lot of time in Cincinatti. There is nothing to suggest his HR rate would actually spike. Sluggers really don't hit many that wind up in the first row at USCF. When guys like Dunn or Thome hit homers, they are homers just about everywhere.

Supposedly the Yankees have yet to make Lee an offer another league source full of s***.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 05:41 PM) Because when it comes to AJ SoxTalk posters seem to love to posting garbage like that stuff above about Gerald Laird and a 95-year-old Gregg Zaun. Or that s*** about Tyler Flowers I read about a thousand times over the spring when AJ started out so poorly. Oh, AJ's OPS sucks, Tyler is going to be sooo much better! It's soooo easy! And then you've got the rest of the board talking about what a meany he is, how no one likes him. Boo hoo. Yeah, it takes the courage of a real Sox fan like Steve for instance to stand up to these people and let them know what's really up. Well, what's the main thing here since Ozzie took over? The main focus, at least publicly? Pitching. And MB is the face of that. He's also the most nationally recognized player on the team by far. This is his team. LOL, I mean, who else's team would it be? AJ or PK's? They're FA. Danks and Floyd are in trade rumors. Peavy can't pitch. Beckham isn't doing anything notable right now. If it's not MB then who is it? I don't think he would have taken arb. I think that as a soon-to-be 34-year-old catcher he would be looking for the most guaranteed money possible. And with Buck getting 3/$18, and with VMart gone, I can definitely see another team offering him enough to pass on arb - especially a team with a bottom-15 record. Or the fake story about AJ kicking someone in the balls. The bottom line is I still think AJ comes back to the Sox. Offering him arb hurt him going to other teams and made it more likely he would accept and the Sox would be on the hook for $7-8 million. As the other options go off the board, bringing back AJ at a lower price is eventually going to make the most sense. Assuming no one else goes crazy and gives him a big payday. JR called him his favorite player. He even said they had the same sense of humor. The stories about AJ being a total douchebag are blown out of proportion. Supposedly he has really mellowed in recent years. I don't understand the AJ hate. Apparently many have forgotten the days of Jorge Fabergas and Ben Davis and Mark Johnson.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 04:25 PM) I know...I think Olivo is extremely overrated, as Colorado was the perfect place for him to hit due to his inability to hit offspeed pitching. He put up a terrible 211/276/322 on the road last season. But he has a nice arm. Guys won't steal second with him behind the plate, they will just jog there when the ball gets away from him.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Nov 22, 2010 -> 04:48 PM) He shouldn't be compiling the list period. Phil Rogers is horrible. How much different would your top 10 look? I'd rather have a scout or a team of scouts compile the list, but I think they wouldn't be too different from what Phil has put on paper. But it is one reason I always take a BA list with a grain of salt. Writers make the list, not people who watch these guys every day.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Nov 22, 2010 -> 01:43 PM) Danks and Flowers took quite a fall (and deservedly so), and Morel and Escobar shot up the charts. It was only a year ago many were talking about Adrian Gonzalez to the White Sox with guys like Jordan Danks and Tyler Flowers as some of the bait.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 22, 2010 -> 09:15 AM) The Sox let their best offensive player leave, and they still won a title without him. That isn't an "if". He wasn't there in 2005. He left after 2004. Even the post injury 2005 numbers he put up were the worse of any year he has had all of the way back to his second year in the league. Even his most recent years weren't as bad as his 2005 with Detroit. I know when Maggs left, but if the Sox won it all in 2004 you wouldn't have said didly about getting something for Magglio. Besides, the Sox got crap for him. No players, no draft picks and somehow still managed to win the WS. If I was in charge, and Danks said no way he's re-signing, I'm still rolling the dice with him unless its a deal you just can't say no. Why not let their best pitcher leave, and grab the draft picks? Why do the White Sox have to operate like a second division team? Then you can use the money you would have allocated to him on other parts, so ie, you get 2 draft picks plus some established players plus 2 more years of John Danks in the rotation pitching for a payday. Not a bad deal at all.