Dick Allen

Since 2003, Corky has a .122 BA in the major leagues. Lucy even with 1 kneecap is probably a better option.

I think we all can agree, none of the 3 should be leading off the first inning.

Here's another thought, does anyone really question Carlton Fisk having his number retired? His average season in a White Sox uniform: 16 hr 58 rbi .257 avg. .329 obp AJP's average season 15 hr 57 rbi .274 avg. .316 obp Fisk's number absolutely s/b retired,even though he only caught over 100 games in a season 6 times for the White Sox. AJ's will never be. What you do elsewhere matters. I also think it shows AJP is not appreciated enough by a lot of people.

QUOTE (Texsox @ Mar 23, 2009 -> 09:45 AM) And I think Kong is a marginal at this moment. Think about this, Konerko has more homers as a White Sox, a higher OBP, a higher slugging pct. than Harold Baines as a White Sox, was an ALCS MVP and a WS hero and he's marginal getting his # retired. Baines even accumulated more stats AFTER his number was retired. There obviously is no criteria for getting the number retired. Its more than just stats. I think coming up through the organization, like Baines did with the Sox and Maddux did with the Cubs should mean something in the decision, even if a lot of career totals were accumulated elsewhere. Its not like Maddux was a Cub for 2 or 3 years.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 23, 2009 -> 09:02 AM) Yeah, I keep seeing Sox beat writers talk about certain things being certain, and then followed by quotes from Ozzie or KW that make it seem far from certain. I am therefore skeptical of it. But I didn't hear anything on the radio or from KW as a quote, so if he said it, then there it is. From MLB.com Apparently, that meeting of the minds did not extend to Danks and Quentin. Williams explained Sunday that the same offer given to Floyd was put on the table for Danks, but the interest wasn't returned in what the White Sox were talking about. "At this point, as I explained to the players, 'No harm, no foul,'" said Williams, prior to Sunday's Cactus League game against Oakland. "I explained to the players that we wanted to do something in the spirit of building that next core. "Also, as I explained to each individual player, once you have as many players under contract I believe as possible, you can begin the process of trying to win baseball games, vs. having guys that are worried so much about their statistics, individual statistics. You get to a level of play that I believe is more unselfish."

QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Mar 23, 2009 -> 08:45 AM) cowley said right now on monsters in the morning that he likes wise over owens bcuz that when it was crunch time and the games really matterd, he stepped up. really? i dont recall seeing that in sept and the last week lol Cowley must have been drunk when Wise finished the season 5-39. Its really amazing an idiot like him is a beat writer for a major newspaper in a large town. He's really a joke.

QUOTE (Stocking @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 09:59 PM) There is no doubt that Maddux should have his number retired, but not by the cubs. Look at it this way; if Maddux played those ten season, as he did with the Braves, for the southside would the cubs retire his number. What if those seasons were with the Cards, I dont think there is a chance in hell they would. He had all of five winning seasons with the Cubs. That's ridiculous. If Mark Buerhle blows out his arm this year and wins 10 games, you wouldn't think its justified his 56 be retired if JR chose to do it? What about Harold Baines. His number was retired and he played 10 more years. He had only 2 full seasons with an OBP of .350 or higher at that point with the White Sox and had hit about 200 homers. Any team that wants to retire any number for any reason is justified IMO. The Miami Heat retired 23 in honor of Michael Jordan. He never played for them (but did make them some money).

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Mar 23, 2009 -> 07:01 AM) His lack of velocity frightens me a bit, considering who he is. 87 just seems WAY slow for Colon, considering he could hit low 90's without trying just a few years ago, and mid 90's while barely trying. Granted, he does get stronger the more he pitches, but I'm hoping he can consistently hit 92 by the time the season starts. He was up to 95 last year. He had chips taken out of his elbow. I would imagine he would be between 92-95 eventually.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 10:12 PM) From what I have seen this spring, I'd gladly take Corky Miller over Toby Hall... I'm not saying Corky would be my first choice, but I think he is a lot better defensively and a whole lot more competent at plate. He is better defensively than Hall (but then again, so probably am I), but offensively he his horrible. He is a career .176 hitter with a 1-55 stretch from 2004-2006. He's had hits this spring, but they don't count. When the bell rings, if he really is the back-up, AJP is going to be one tired player. Many of his "off" days will see him get some action as Miller, basically a pitcher at the plate, will have to be hit for. You have to take spring training results with a grain of salt. Especially offensive ones. Pitchers aren't up to speed, and many AB are against guys who will be nowhere near the major leagues when the games count. Finally, its not like he's a young guy who may figure things out. He's 33.

QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 08:23 PM) I guess you're not old enough to remember Chuck Brinkman. Corky has outhit Brinkman .176 to .172. They are basically the same. KW did the near impossible, he downgraded from a torn labrumed Toby Hall.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 05:28 PM) I have no problem with it now sign Danks. They offered him the same deal and he passed.

QUOTE (chunk23 @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 05:35 PM) Well, people will soon realize he's taking so many pitches because he's running injured and swings a very weak bat. It won't last. There were a lot of people on this board who say he has absolutely no redeeming qualities, who were saying the exact opposite in Sept. 2007. You would think the Sox should be in a position to take on some money, so maybe they are just being patient, giving him the rope to hang himself, and a better player may be available for less when the noose does its job.

QUOTE (forrestg @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 05:33 PM) sorry going back to the original post "future considerations" what does that mean? another minor leaguer or is the value of future considerations have to do with how Stewart is valued after he goes to the yankees? A draft pick what or when does the yankees have to give back. do we have a choice now or are we offered something later. When its for a guy like Chris Stewart, chances are, it will be for a guy who you never have heard of, and probably will never hear of again. Its probably based on his performance and/or if he plays for the Yankees or in the minors. If Posada can't play much, Stewart may be in NY.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 05:22 PM) Jerry Owens: 0-2, 3 BB's, 3 runs, 2 stolen bases Boo. If Jerry Owens was FA this winter, he would have had to sign a minor league contract. He's going to leadoff for the White Sox unless KW can pull a rabbit out of his hat and get Figgins or someone else. Of course, if he goes 0-2 with 3 BB and 2 SB every day, the Sox would be in good shape. I just think unfortunately, he's showing enough where the White Sox won't give up on him. 3 or 4 years ago, I was a big Owens fan, then I saw him play. I honestly think Pods or a guy like Chris Duffy, and obviously neither are world beaters, are better than Owens. I also think Owens is better than Wise as an everyday or platoon guy. Wise is probably a better 5 AB a week guy.

I just wonder what has Lillibridge done last year and this spring to justify a roster spot?

QUOTE (jenks45monster @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 04:17 PM) I wouldn't mind him as much as some would. I don't care about his s***y OBP. When he gets on, he is a major threat and one of the fastest players in the game. As long as LA eats a lot of the money owed to him, I'm fine with him as our leadoff hitter. I think it would piss you off if a guy hit a flyball for a sacrifice fly in fairly deep CF scoring a guy from second. Pierre cannot be a CF. I agree he's a big threat to steal when he gets on and he puts the ball in play so runners on base when he bats generally will move along, but the low OBP + the unbelievable bad arm (he makes Lance Johnson look like Roberto Clemente) is too much to take on IMO, although Ozzie loves him from their Florida days.

Greg Maddux won 133 games for the Cubs, which is 11 more than Mark Buerhle has won for the White Sox, and a Cy Young. He's also a first ballot HOFer. The Cubs are totally justified retiring his number. The question to me would be why it even was available to him in the first place?

Someone's in dire need of an intervention, but you have to love his enthusiasm.

Gammons says the rumor is Boras wants $50 million for him and will send him to Japan if he doesn't get it. The draft must be slotted.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Mar 21, 2009 -> 05:51 PM) Accuracy, maybe. Arm strength, no. He has made some strong throws, but a lot of the time, he's hunting rattlesnakes. He holds on to it too long most likely. He also isn't very accurate. He had 2 today where just a halfway decent throw nails the runner, and they both were in very easily. He can hit, no doubt about it, but his defense is definitely a minus. Its not Ron Kittle bad yet, hopefully he can improve, but just the little I've seen of him this spring, he looks no different to weaker defensively compared to 2008.

I don't know why everyone wants to move Quentin to RF. Dye is stuck in mud, but he's a superior defensive player to Quentin.

Looks like Fields could use more time with Cora. 1 error and 1 s/b error.

If you are only going to have low OBP guys at the top of the order, the Sox might as well have Quentin lead off. Batting 3rd with no one on is a waste. Let him leadoff and try to get something started in the first.

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Mar 20, 2009 -> 01:35 PM) If BA or Fields only leads off against LHSP, would that be so bad? I dont' think so. With Owens or Wise leading off against righties? Easily the worst leadoff combo in the major leagues. Maybe in the history of the major leagues. I will say this, maybe leading off would help BA or Fields a little. Make them cut down their swing a bit. I just don't see their OBP's rising through the roof.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Mar 20, 2009 -> 12:56 PM) Let's not panic people. It ain't that bad I disagree. BA is leading off today. The White Sox lead off man might not have a .300 OBP this year.