Dick Allen

QUOTE (chunk23 @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 05:35 PM) Well, people will soon realize he's taking so many pitches because he's running injured and swings a very weak bat. It won't last. There were a lot of people on this board who say he has absolutely no redeeming qualities, who were saying the exact opposite in Sept. 2007. You would think the Sox should be in a position to take on some money, so maybe they are just being patient, giving him the rope to hang himself, and a better player may be available for less when the noose does its job.

QUOTE (forrestg @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 05:33 PM) sorry going back to the original post "future considerations" what does that mean? another minor leaguer or is the value of future considerations have to do with how Stewart is valued after he goes to the yankees? A draft pick what or when does the yankees have to give back. do we have a choice now or are we offered something later. When its for a guy like Chris Stewart, chances are, it will be for a guy who you never have heard of, and probably will never hear of again. Its probably based on his performance and/or if he plays for the Yankees or in the minors. If Posada can't play much, Stewart may be in NY.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 05:22 PM) Jerry Owens: 0-2, 3 BB's, 3 runs, 2 stolen bases Boo. If Jerry Owens was FA this winter, he would have had to sign a minor league contract. He's going to leadoff for the White Sox unless KW can pull a rabbit out of his hat and get Figgins or someone else. Of course, if he goes 0-2 with 3 BB and 2 SB every day, the Sox would be in good shape. I just think unfortunately, he's showing enough where the White Sox won't give up on him. 3 or 4 years ago, I was a big Owens fan, then I saw him play. I honestly think Pods or a guy like Chris Duffy, and obviously neither are world beaters, are better than Owens. I also think Owens is better than Wise as an everyday or platoon guy. Wise is probably a better 5 AB a week guy.

I just wonder what has Lillibridge done last year and this spring to justify a roster spot?

QUOTE (jenks45monster @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 04:17 PM) I wouldn't mind him as much as some would. I don't care about his s***y OBP. When he gets on, he is a major threat and one of the fastest players in the game. As long as LA eats a lot of the money owed to him, I'm fine with him as our leadoff hitter. I think it would piss you off if a guy hit a flyball for a sacrifice fly in fairly deep CF scoring a guy from second. Pierre cannot be a CF. I agree he's a big threat to steal when he gets on and he puts the ball in play so runners on base when he bats generally will move along, but the low OBP + the unbelievable bad arm (he makes Lance Johnson look like Roberto Clemente) is too much to take on IMO, although Ozzie loves him from their Florida days.

Greg Maddux won 133 games for the Cubs, which is 11 more than Mark Buerhle has won for the White Sox, and a Cy Young. He's also a first ballot HOFer. The Cubs are totally justified retiring his number. The question to me would be why it even was available to him in the first place?

Someone's in dire need of an intervention, but you have to love his enthusiasm.

Gammons says the rumor is Boras wants $50 million for him and will send him to Japan if he doesn't get it. The draft must be slotted.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Mar 21, 2009 -> 05:51 PM) Accuracy, maybe. Arm strength, no. He has made some strong throws, but a lot of the time, he's hunting rattlesnakes. He holds on to it too long most likely. He also isn't very accurate. He had 2 today where just a halfway decent throw nails the runner, and they both were in very easily. He can hit, no doubt about it, but his defense is definitely a minus. Its not Ron Kittle bad yet, hopefully he can improve, but just the little I've seen of him this spring, he looks no different to weaker defensively compared to 2008.

I don't know why everyone wants to move Quentin to RF. Dye is stuck in mud, but he's a superior defensive player to Quentin.

Looks like Fields could use more time with Cora. 1 error and 1 s/b error.

If you are only going to have low OBP guys at the top of the order, the Sox might as well have Quentin lead off. Batting 3rd with no one on is a waste. Let him leadoff and try to get something started in the first.

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Mar 20, 2009 -> 01:35 PM) If BA or Fields only leads off against LHSP, would that be so bad? I dont' think so. With Owens or Wise leading off against righties? Easily the worst leadoff combo in the major leagues. Maybe in the history of the major leagues. I will say this, maybe leading off would help BA or Fields a little. Make them cut down their swing a bit. I just don't see their OBP's rising through the roof.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Mar 20, 2009 -> 12:56 PM) Let's not panic people. It ain't that bad I disagree. BA is leading off today. The White Sox lead off man might not have a .300 OBP this year.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Mar 20, 2009 -> 10:41 AM) Tony Gywnn JR is starting for the Brewers today. Means he's off the table. How about Chris Duffy?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 20, 2009 -> 12:18 PM) I was actually thinking Lofton. Lofton would have been a much better option last year than Griffey, and would have cost less. He's either 40 or 41 and hasn't played in 18 months. I think its a longshot he can be very effective and stay healthy, although I'm sure he is still an upgrade over Owens and Wise.

QUOTE (SouthsideDon48 @ Mar 20, 2009 -> 12:12 PM) Could it be a precursor to a three-way trade somehow? If it's not a three-way trade, I wonder what CF or leadoff-type guys we could possibly get from the Brewers? Gwynn Jr??? Gwynn Jr. is no better than Owens or Wise unfortunately. He is also out of options. He has a nice name, but he doesn't have much game.

QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 20, 2009 -> 11:48 AM) Wise is aWeSoMe! Here's a big difference between me and the rest of the board: The board reads ozzie saying he's considering fields or BA leading off and they go apes*** saying how dumb he is. I get excited because it means he's not deadset on starting Wise or Owens as leadoff. But I'd bet ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS that our starting 2b leads off. I think the reason people would be upset is not because he is now not insistent on one of the other 2 leading off, but he comes up with even worse scenerios, making one wish he would have stuck with Wise or Owens.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 20, 2009 -> 11:37 AM) Gregor in the daily herald seems to think KW is close to making a deal for a CF with leadoff capabilities. If its true, and Gregor has never struck me as a guy who breaks stories,it almost has to be the return of Pods.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 20, 2009 -> 11:42 AM) I don't know. Fields may not the WORST choice in the world, He's in the conversation.

If these 2 are even a remote consideration and not just BS, Why in the world did KW not go after Crisp or Hudson?

If he was traded, its probably for a minor leaguer, maybe someone with the potential of leading off someday.

I'm starting to wonder if KW is thinking about trying to bring back Pods to leadoff and play CF.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Mar 19, 2009 -> 02:47 PM) Ozzie already said he's now considering Getz for leadoff. Maybe he should try it in a game. Not that it really means anything. But get him prepared. Owens and Wise are not good, even if they hit .800 the rest of the spring. The only other problem with Getz as a leadoff hitter is what to do with Beckham when he's ready in a couple of months. Maybe moving Ramirez to CF would be the answer.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Mar 19, 2009 -> 12:32 PM) Other than J-O in CF I think he has the leg up on Wise. Its really a shame that the White Sox are actually thinking about Owens and Wise leading off, leading the offense. It won't last long, that's for sure. The team sees something in Owens I don't think anyone else does, and the fact he's out of options says to me they don't want to risk losing him. If he must play, at least bat him 9th.