Dick Allen

Do you think DJ will cry during his final telecast.

This is reminding me of the 2000 playoffs tonight.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Sep 27, 2008 -> 07:49 PM) "you are in luck! ....theres a town about a mile or two up the road, im sure you can find a couple of guys there" greatest movie ever

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 27, 2008 -> 07:42 PM) He supposedly had chances to go to Jacksonville and possibly the Steelers/Lions/Ravens between 2002-2004. I think he's just burned out and having trouble getting his second wind...and he's never been a great recruiter. His one very strong recruiting class has been highlighted by Chicago players like Christensen, Doerring, Richardson and Moeaki has had very little or no impact. Almost unbelieveable, because the guy was like God and beloved, could have run for governor three or four years ago and won. I think his NFL stock has dropped significantly. His success was taking guys not all that highly recruited and coaching the crap out of him. He was an offensive line guru. Dallas Clark was a walk on. Bob Sanders wasn't a highly nationally ranked recruit. The legal troubles seem to have quieted. While blowing today's game, they have looked better this season, and are playing with an inexperienced sophomore QB. I think if he eventually leaves, it won't be until the team is going well again, and if Iowa fires him, unless there are some more scandles, they are kidding themselves if they think they will find a better coach. I don't see how they can bring in someone better unless Bobby Stoops is sick of Oklahoma.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 27, 2008 -> 07:39 PM) Javy is now 12-16 this season. Think about that.....how f***ing awful. Yet, we made sure to pitch him vs the Twins. Yeah, but he has 200 strikeouts.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 27, 2008 -> 07:34 PM) My co-worker's dad is a huge Iowa booster, and said this is Ferentz's last season no matter what. I'm an Iowa alum and while I wish you're coworker's dad was correct, I couldn't disagree more. I think there's a better chance he'll come back next year than there has been of him coming back the last 6 or 7. BTW, with the shellacking of Javy tonight, he nows owns a higher than league average ERA in 3 of his 4 AL seasons. The only time he outperformed the league average, he pitched meaningless games.

QUOTE (almagest @ Sep 27, 2008 -> 07:04 PM) Ventura played all of 1 season in AA at the age of 21. By the time Ventura had 5 years of pro experience (what Gomez has now), he put up MLB OPS+ of 57 (Sept. of 1989, at the age of 21), 83, 126, 127, and 120. He was also one of the best defensive 3rd basemen in the league after his first year or two (Gold Glove in 1991). Gomez, on the other hand, has put up an OPS+ of 79 in his only season in MLB, his 5th pro season, at the age of 22 -- worse than Ventura's age 22 season, when Ventura only had 2 years of pro experience. Gomez's defense relies largely on speed because he gets bad reads. He does have a solid arm, though -- not the most important thing for a CF. Overall, I doubt anyone considers him a good defensive player. Hmm... sounds a lot like what people say about Owens, minus the good arm... So, let's see here... you compare Gomez to Ventura, which is a terrible comparison because they haven't had anywhere near the same career path so far (as I've shown), then you mention defense, which Gomez isn't very good on and appears to parallel (gasp!) Jerry Owens the most. Are you going to keep trying, or will you finally admit you've got a chubby for Superman .660 and are selectively picking and making up evidence to support your points? The only thing I said was Owens couldn't hold Gomez's jock. You said they are essentially the same player. I used Ventura as a 22 year old just to show that at that age numbers don't mean a lot. Ask a scout. Numbers for a 18 19 20 21 year old in the minor leagues aren't very important. For an older player they become more significant. If I were a GM and I could have either to trade, I know I could get a lot more for Gomez than I could for Owens. Gomez sure got a horrible read on AJ's ball last week didn't he?

QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 27, 2008 -> 07:18 PM) This inning turned around when Uribe couldn't get that slow hit grounder to third. Had he gotten that ball, we might be out of it already. It hit the lip of the infield. It was rathe unfortunate.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 27, 2008 -> 07:15 PM) I cant believe that people are blaming Javy for these 5 runs. The last 2 were on a pitch that was outside. The other 3 were because the umpire started to squeeze him and Ozzie has sat on his ass the last 5 days. If Ozzie wont stick up for our players who will? He wont even get out of the dug out, he doesnt care. Since the start of the all important 10 game roadtrip, Javy has made 3 starts. They are the 3 shortest starts of his White Sox career. He blows.

QUOTE (Brian @ Sep 27, 2008 -> 07:14 PM) Hawk should go into a business where people pay him to make excuses for them. He'd be rich. Next time I screw something up at work, I'm blaming the umpires.

That's 3 consecutive starts Javy hasn't pitched 5 innings. The biggest waste of money on the White Sox.

Quit making excuses for this loser Hawk. He is what he is. If the Sox were already eliminated, he would have no problem with an umpire missing a pitch or 2.

Javy not manning up. What a shock.

Throw the fastball.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 27, 2008 -> 07:01 PM) All I know is if they miss the playoffs, Walker must go! Why is it when the offense fails Walker must go, based on some BS belief that Walker stresses homers, yet the same people love Josh Fields ignoring all his faults because he might hit 40 homers one day, and rip Ryan Sweeney for a lack of power.? And if the pitching fails, which really is why the champaign is not flowing right now, what with blowing a 6-1 lead on Thursday and losing while scoring 8 yesterday, there are never ever even one post that Cooper must go?

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 27, 2008 -> 06:57 PM) He's getting on track and AJ is looking better. That bodes well for not only the final couple games but for the post-season. Yes, I said it...POST SEASON!!! Dotel's looked better. Thornton has been good. Jenks problems in Minnesota was pitch selection. If Linebrink can somehow get effective, and the Sox make the post season, they can still do damage.

KC gets at least 2 in Minnesota, Cliff Lee gets scratched. If the White Sox don't win, its a choke.

It is nice to see Hawk in a good mood. I hope it lasts.

QUOTE (G&T @ Sep 27, 2008 -> 05:49 PM) KC is 13-2 in their last 15 games. Luckily, the Sox brought those 2 losses. And apparently the Indian's guys get excited over pop outs they think are homers. Do they say get on back there, stretch as the ball falls into JD's glove a little short of the warning track?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 27, 2008 -> 06:39 PM) Swisher hitting a robust .202 from the right side. Just wow. Since hitting 2 homers and driving in 5 against the Tribe on June 30th, Swisher is hitting .198.

QUOTE (almagest @ Sep 27, 2008 -> 04:58 PM) Jerry Owens career minors (6 years): .291 .359 .359 (.718 OPS) 162 SB 66 CS (71%) Carlos Gomez career minors (4 years): .278 .336 .399 (.735 OPS) 141 SB 39 CS (78%) So Owens gets on base more and gets more hits, but Gomez has more power. a .017 point difference in OPS is basically nothing. Gomez is also a little better at stealing. But yeah, basically the same player. Also, Owens didn't start in Low A until he was 22, due to football. He's been a couple years behind the curve development-wise. Owens is also NOT "almost 30". He's 27. Gomez probably has a much higher ceiling due to his young age, but who knows if he'll reach it? If his attitude to this point ("The .660 OPS Superman") is any indication, he won't. And to say he and Owens are anything but almost the same player based on their careers to this point is silly. If you really think Jerry Owens and Carlos Gomez are anywhere the same player, lets just say, I'm glad you're not a White Sox scout, or if you are or ever were, I can understand the condition of the system. What about defense? What about throwing arms? Comparing what Jerry Owens does when he's 25 or 26 or 27 to what Carlos Gomez does offensively when he's 19 or 20 or 21 is beyond silly. Gomez is a far better prospect. He will make a lot more money playing baseball than Jerry Owens. Look at Robin Ventura when he was 22 offensively in the major leagues.

Gameday has a few pitches in the KC game almost right down the middle called balls.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Sep 27, 2008 -> 03:36 PM) Yeah, the difference in OPS during their time in the major leagues has been simply staggering. About 25 points, Gomez accomplishing that with a major assist from the Sox. Carlos Gomez sucks. Gomez is 9 months older than Gordon Beckham. Compare him to an almost 30 Jerry Owens. Good example. You have the most accurate name on soxtalk.

I heard the iphone has volume issues and can be a pain in the ass if you're in a crowd or any slighty noisey area to hear the person on the other end.

QUOTE (jphat007 @ Sep 27, 2008 -> 05:35 PM) If he does it means the Twins win. Not really.