Dick Allen

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 28, 2017 -> 05:22 PM) Why does an answer about Don Cooper have to run through everyone else's opinions and every other coach we've had? Its like you are still fighting the fight over the Greg Walker days. This is a rating Don Cooper thread. I think he is rated using a different scale than any other White Sox non player. And the first posts IMO confirmed what I have always thought. That was my point. If you don't like it, you can tell me why I am totally wrong, or just ignore my posts. You make it out to be more than it is. As I have stated, Copper is fine in my book. I don't find him extraordinary, but don't see a compelling reason to let him go. Leo Mazzoni, as it turned out, apparently wasn't the reason Maddox, Glavine, and Smoltz are in the HOF. Mike Maddox is supposedly another miracle worker, but when Matt Albers is your best pitcher in the bullpen, it's going to suck. Ray Searage is another guy who got a lot of credit. Give him crap, and crap is what you will get. Bosio is a genius except when Lackey acts his age, Arrieta can't throw strikes, and is down several ticks with the velocity . Coop is no different. If they give him a good staff to work with, they will be good. If they give him Chris Beck, it isn't so good.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 28, 2017 -> 04:18 PM) Then what is your point? One of the better coaches, average coach, bad coach? My point goes back to my first post, the undying love for Don Cooper is the exact opposite from any other White Sox non player. I have stated numerous times in this thread, I think he is fine. But it's like no pitcher would ever have success if Coop wasn't the pitching coach. I give the players more credit for being successful. If it all was about Coop wisdom, and not talent and execution, Coop would have had a better pitching career himself. I don't think if he quit at the end of the season the team ERA would be a run lower next year because of it. I also don't think it would be a run higher.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 28, 2017 -> 04:06 PM) Nah, he needs more fistshaking and Cooper-hatred apparently. Great post.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 28, 2017 -> 04:04 PM) So he can't be one of the better coaches in the league if he isn't 100% successful? Age and injuries do take their toll as well. Never said that. He pointed out old hitters who failed. Just pointed out pitchingwith similar circumstance.

QUOTE (Soha @ Aug 28, 2017 -> 02:07 PM) I don't so much look at how guys did after they left the Sox, as much as how they changed when they came to the Sox. Just in recent years, guys like LaRoche, Dunn, Frazier...the bottom fell out on these guys when they came here. It tends to work the other way with pitchers. It really doesn't. Samardjiza? Latos? Holland? Shields? Liriano?

QUOTE (Soha @ Aug 28, 2017 -> 01:54 PM) You seriously do not see all the guys that have improved with Coop over the years? I think that hitters have generally gone the other way with the White Sox over most of the same years would make it all the more obvious to everyone. Nobody is saying he is perfect and that every guy improves. But he's done well and it's kind of ridiculous to compare him to other underperforming employees of JR that have been given 'lifetime contracts'. It is all dependent on what you have to work with. If you have junk, they will be junk. Even though a few pitchers have left the White Sox struggling and become legit, not many hitters haven't left the White Sox the past decaade and become much better offensively except for Nick Swisher, and it was well known, he didn't work with White Sox coaches. Yet when the offense was bad, it was on the coaches. That would be like blaming Cooper for Chris Beck sucking, and Derek Holland giving up another home run. That has always been my point about Coop. For some reason he hasn't been treated like other coaches. If the guys sucks, it wasn't his fault they sucked. Position players suck, its the hitting coach or whoever is in charge of the defense, or the manager.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Aug 28, 2017 -> 01:33 PM) Thanks, I have updated the article to be more ambiguous on Rick's quote (Scott Gregor speculated on Quintana), but I am going off of Brian's report for the Q for Rutherford reported swap. It worked out better for the Sox. Rutherford is more highly ranked, obviously Kahnle and Frazier were in the deal, but the Sox would have had to eat half of Robertson's deal. The Yankees prospects are a bit more interesting to me, and I am not a Rutherford guy.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Aug 28, 2017 -> 01:17 PM) Do you have a link for that? No, but it was it. RH this spring said nothing was ever close with Q. I was in the room when he brought up the Christmas Eve thing at Soxfest, because someone asked him if there were periods where deals wouldn't be made. He through out he thought he had one on Christmas Eve this year, and New Years Eve or something like that previously. It was later found out, the Sox and Nats did agree to a trade but it was rejected by the Nats owner.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Aug 28, 2017 -> 12:55 PM) Q was suppose to go to Pittsburgh, Cutch to NYY, and prospect (Rutherford possibly) to CHW. If you connect the dots between Brian's (RaBBit) tweets on 12/23 and later Rick Hahn's comments about a Christmas Eve deal, yes, it appears it was nearly completed. Christmas Eve deal was Robertson to the Nats.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 28, 2017 -> 12:39 PM) Except no one has worked nearly as long as Cooper. Not in uniform, although Kirk Champion is pretty close, and doesn't get much praise.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 28, 2017 -> 12:26 PM) You are taking what fans think and turning it into some sort of meaning for his actual body of work. None of what fans think actually matters. As to the last part, Don Cooper basically has worked himself into a job for life while managers, general managers, and coaches have come and gone. I'd say that telling each new manager that Don Cooper is your pitching coach is a pretty clear indictment of what the White Sox top management thinks of what Cooper has done during his body of work here. Considering some of the employees that seem to qualify as a job for life under the Reinsdorfs, it's not necessarily a ringing endorsement. Ozzie would still be managing if he didn't set it on fire. Robin would still be managing if he wanted. Not many people are asked to leave. And this conversation was a response to a response to my post as to why I find it odd Don Cooper is bulletproof to most White Sox fans, considering who they have layed blame about failure and given credit for success for everything else. Again, I don't have a problem with him, but the fawning over him any time a pitcher does well is something I find curious.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 28, 2017 -> 11:55 AM) Very fair point. It is fair, but my point is if a pitcher thrives, it always seems to come back to Cooper. If he doesn't, hey, the guy sucks, KW should never have acquired him...Coop can't get through to everybody. Some guys would still be good pitchers if Nardi Contreras came back. I don't mind Cooper, and despite what some may think, really never have. I have just marveled at the double standard some have with other coaches and managers. They are blamed for suck, Coop can only overcome it. It is never his fault. And considering he is probably the least fan friendly of all of them, it just seems a bit weird. If these coaches had as big of an influence of a guy being a star or out of the league in a year or 2, they would make more money thant the players.

I do think the White Sox do a really good job keeping pitchers healthy. They must have some sort of routine with the shoulder and elbow. They also don't seem to have many hamstring injuries, but a lot of injuries are just bad luck. Nothing a training staff can do when a guy gets HBP and breaks something, or slips and blows out a knee.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Aug 28, 2017 -> 09:15 AM) Can you give any specific examples for any part of this post. I'm genuinely curious. Javy Vazquez Francisco Liriano Tommy Kahnle went to the minors, where Coop isn't and figured out how to throw strikes. Coop's a genius. Tyler Clippard having a decent 10 innings....Don Cooper. James Shields, Derek Holland sucking more than they ever have...nothing Coop could do. For some reason, I doubt Chris Sale is a #5 starter without Don Cooper. White Sox trying to win with a depleted roster and lose, manager sucks. White Sox leading off a done Darrin Erstad and can't hit... obviously the hitting coach sucks. Not only that, but Coop has been on the radio many times ripping White Sox fans and their refusal to go to games. If a poster says something like that, they get rebutted like crazy, but Coop? Not so much. There are hundreds more.

It's amazing just how bulletproof Coop is with the fan base. No other coach has ever ripped fans for not showing up more than he has. He gets all the credit for any success his pitchers have, and gets no blame when they suck. Every other coach and manager, it's pretty much the opposite. All the blame when they suck, it's all the player when they do well. A guy goes down to the minors and starts throwing strikes, comes back and Coop is a genius. A guy sucks with the White Sox and goes on and becomes a decent pitcher elsewhere...not Coop's fault. IMO, the reality is somewhere in the middle, he's a good pitching coach, but not this treasure he's made out to be.

DL. Rob Brantly now a White Sox.

Renteria called it a bruise.

No way MT starts week 1 vs. Atlanta with that defense and a week to prepare. Glendon does outplay him in practice according to reporters, so while it looks like his future is bright, throwing him to the dogs right away probably isn't a good idea.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 25, 2017 -> 12:16 PM) They treated my shin splints in college by removing my ACL. Pretty standard protocol. You must have had a very mild case.

QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 25, 2017 -> 07:09 AM) Did you read the article, greg? Was he the only black person besides those in Trump's traveling party there? Amazing he got to sit right in back and in the camera.

It's a shame, but let's face it, does it really matter if this is career ending? He's obviously a bust.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 24, 2017 -> 09:26 AM) I think its pretty clear at this point that there was no changing his base's mind. No doubt, but his base wasn't enough to get him elected.

Hillary's book where she writes about the debate where Trump appears to be stalking in back of her and he wasn't "impressed. Beleive me." She now says she was thinking "back up you creep" which is probably not true. But if she would have said it, I bet she would have won the election. It would have spun Trump so crazy, and people would have probably appreciated he stood up to him.

How many failed bunts is it goimg to take?