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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 01:10 PM) At FutureSox we've interviewed him, and discussed him over the years. We've also of course covered in depth the player development in general, of which he was in charge. What was the conclusion? Was he bad at his job? Really I have no idea, I've always focused on Bell. I've listened to him at Soxfest, he seemed OK to me. But considering there is enough blame to go around for everyone, he dodged a lot of it.

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 12:50 PM) They probably discuss Buddy Bell, and whatever weird crappy organizational heirarchy the white sox have done that make it unclear who is in charge of things. But I think it's fair game, considering the shifts in the organization, that people would like new blood that would create a new direction, like how hostetler gave way to the end of Laumann. A former player with 2 years experience being given the director level means buddy bell is not losing any influence. And we can expect the same results. But you are okay with that, that's fine. I have stated many times, Bell is a problem IMO. But Buddy Bell is still here, and as long as he's here, he isn't going to lose influence, so really what does it matter if Getz played for the White Sox or not? This is new blood BTW. All his after baseball employment was with KC who apparently share the White Sox and every other team's bad habit of hiring people they are familiar with.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 12:40 PM) Yeah, even if the name isn't mentioned, development of position players, or lack there of, has been a very hot stove topic for a very long time around these parts. To say otherwise is to create a narrative that isn't there. I have not read once where Capra who was the player development director for 5 seasons, needed to be replaced. I've seen Hahn blamed, JR blamed, KW blamed, Buddy Bell blamed (by me), Laumann blamed, but never Capra. Either most of us didn't consider his position really some sort of senior position or he was perfectly competent but everyone else was making him look bad.

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 12:38 PM) Yep, people never discussed their disappointment in player development from the White Sox. Such a hypocritical bunch. Never said that. I specifically alluded to Capra. Where is the discussion about him?

How many times has Nick Capra's job performance been discussed on this board? Getz has already received more play and he hasn't even started yet.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 10:59 AM) Without being forced to name names, it is perfectly legitimate to question this hire. I get that a large portion of the questions are coming because of his status as an ex-player, but let's face reality and acknowledge that he is a guy with a pretty light resume too. I bet there are a lot more people who think 2 years in their current position is more than enough to prepare them for the next step. I really don't know much about him other than he supposedly is a bright guy and wasn't a very good player. As I stated when Theo became the player development director of the Padres, his only MLB experience was as a PR guy. Getz has more than that, and he wasn't trained by the White Sox. Obviously the Royals saw something in him to offer him a pretty decent job as soon as he retired from playing. Maybe he never gets this job if he didn't come up with the White Sox, but players are looked at as future coaches, managers, etc. by every organization as they come up. Every team is littered with minor league staff that has some sort of tie to their organization. His experience isn't much, but it's really impossible for any of us to say he isn't qualified. Let's face it, all of us have 2 years less experience than Chris Getz and think we know most of the answers.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 10:30 AM) The skepticism is misplaced. In this case, any evaluation of this hire should based on looking at Getz' qualifications for the job, including looking at his years of experience vs. other potential candidates out there, vs. his history with the White Sox. That's the pendulum swinging the other way. White Sox hirings should not be based solely on having a history with the organization, nor should they be prohibited as a result, either. Since you are complaining, why don't you list some available candidates that would have been better hires, and tell us more about Chris Getz, and why he lacks the skills to be a good developmental guy. That fact is, you don't know. The ONLY reason people complain is because Getz was drafted and played for the White Sox. W

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 09:28 AM) The skepticism of this hiring is to be expected, as we as Sox fans are fresh off of the failed Robin Ventura experiment, where his hiring was done solely based on name and association with the organization. Getz may be an up and coming talent in the player development space, but regardless, you just have to wonder if he was the best available talent out there to take on this very important role within this particular organization, one where certain aspects of player development (position players) has been sorely lacking in recent years. It's from people who think any tie to the White Sox means they can't do what they will be hired to do, although many want Dave Martinez to manage. He played in more games for the White Sox than Chris Getz. People would rather have an idiot with no White Sox ties, than a bright guy like Getz just because he played about 120 games for the team. It's ridiculous. For all intents and purposes, Chris Getz is an outside hire. All of his management training has come from the Royals. This loyalty shtick is getting old. Why does no one mention Bobby Thigpen, someone I am sure JR feels more loyalty to than Chris Getz, is out of a job?

Theo was a PR assistant for the Orioles, then became the Director of Player Development for SD.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 16, 2016 -> 07:20 PM) Well, i agree with a previous poster. Chris has two years of experience. That seems a bit light. It does but what would be the minimum amount? He went to Wake Forest and Michigan so he probably is a bright guy. Baseball being a non revenue sport doesn't make it as necessary to lower academic standards to recruit players. I know nothing of his acumen for development, but it is possible he may be pretty good.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Oct 16, 2016 -> 06:55 PM) This organization has lost the benefit of the doubt. So really, that pretty much means there would be a problem with just about any hire, unless it was some guy who was a farm director of another organization churning out talent. those guys generally don't move to the same job in other organizations. Getz did play here, but he has been trained by KC. Only a couple of years, so we will see. Obviously they liked the way he answered some questions. Personally, I don't know what to think. I am not at all familiar with his eye for talent and philosophy. I do think if he never played for the White Sox, and had the same experience, not as many would be dismayed. I also like that they hired a guy that has zero ties to any current minor leaguer. I do think that it is natural to give many players the benefit of the doubt they don't deserve when you have ties to them.

Smell sucks but at least he can nail a 3 once in a while. If MCW was going to play heavy minutes, I could understand this trade, but for a guy who might play 10-15? They need shooters. Shooters are the new craze. GarPax will try to buck the trend.

Trump now thinks Hillary is taking some sort of PEDs for the debates. She should agree to it and them watch him back away. He can't stoop any lower than he is, but apparently he wants everyone to see the entire bottom. If he can't get back on track and actually act like a decent human being, I do hope this campaign ruins him financially. I saw where Cuban predicts he will file for personal bankruptcy in the next seven years. Trump busted and disgusted sounds like a great plan. Seriously, if this guy actually won how could any American be anything but embarrassed? Look at his behavior. Presidents don't do this.

Hahn is Out Prellering Preller. Erik Johnson and Duke with TJ.

His lawyers want to sue them, but today's act of kindness from the Donald is he is telling them not to sue the dying NYT for ruining his reputation.

Trump set himself up for all these women to come out of the woodwork, whether they are lying or not, he boasted about doing exactly what they are accusing him of doing. If it wasn't such an embarrassment to our country, it actually would be very funny. How can Trump ever be credible? It's one lie after another. He donated to 9/11 charities, except he didn't. https://www.yahoo.com/gma/nyc-audit-finds-n...topstories.html He was boasting not too long ago how he would be maybe the first candidate who made money running for president. I think he may be one of the few who wind up totally ruined by doing it.

Looks like the minor league staffs are going to be shaken up pretty much.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 07:32 PM) Ron Kittle told me the team outright quit in the second half of 1984. Remember they had won seven straight and were in first place at the break. The big difference between 83 and 84 was Jerry Koosman. I had so many guys tell me off that club him not being there was a difference maker. Even JR admitted that was one of his biggest mistakes as owner, letting the Sox trade him for Ron Reed. Koosman was like a second pitching coach, kept players in line and acted as a reassuring voice in the clubhouse when things got tight. Tony LaRussa told me a big part of the reason Bull had a bad 84 and retired was because Kooz wasn't around. They were tight and would drive to the ballpark together. But back to the point, the 84 team had nothing to do with my comment that the 83 team was in my opinion much more talented than the 03 club as the poster originally suggested (i.e. the most talented in franchise history...) But carry on with whatever you are suggesting. Mark I love Kitty but when he told you the team "outright quit" the second half of 1984, did he mention his .181/.256/.386 second half that year? Did he check out?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 07:26 PM) Trump in 2010 on Fox boasted that the best way to win over a woman is to “move forward, even if you get smacked." I don't like Trump, and don't doubt for a second he has stepped way over the line on several occasions, but this one is a reach IMO.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 05:56 PM) Seems to be a pattern: Yeah I just don't think it's predatory towards them.

Trump is creepy and unqualified and probably a pervert, but I really think the comments to the really young girls were in jest. Just some guy pushing 50 who wanted the world to know he would be dating 18 year olds. There is plenty of other info to rip him to shreds. I really don't think these particular events were a big deal.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 03:06 PM) Here's the full context of Trump's (((international banks))) comments "thinly veiled" is being too kind. Trump will fix it. Look it what he promised Gary, IN and how he delivered.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 02:41 PM) For those of you who say that is why Cutler is a starter or way better. I'd just throw the flipside that Cutler hasn't exactly led any dynamic offenses during his time with the Bears (despite having quite a bit of talent). At this point, Jay is what he is and he isn't a guy who leads win, but I still believe you can win with him. He clearly is not going to be with the franchise next year and I don't think that is a bad thing (as we need to turn the page). What we can't have happen is people to have some false reality that Hoyer is anything more then a good guy to have around to help groom whomever the young QB is (and I actually think Hoyer would be a pretty solid mentor). His turnovers are the great equalizer. He did a good job of cutting down last year.

QUOTE (brett05 @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 01:41 PM) Really? With the leak of questions by CNN, the DNC doing what they could to make sure Bernie failed. you're right, no rigging at all. If it's rigged, why is Genius Donald running?

Why would such a "genius" businessman "self fund" a run for an office he cannot win because the system is rigged against him? Logic has never entered a Trumpkins mind.