Dick Allen

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Sep 25, 2016 -> 01:23 PM) I know I keep asking the same question, but why isn't Coats getting Sept at bats so the Sox can at least get some feeling about what he has? I would think Rick Hahn has a pretty good read on Avi at this point. You are going to base what Jason Coats can do based on September ABs?

Very sad. If he hadn't have been pushed back a day, he probably wouldn't have been on that boat. The cruel hands of fate. RIP.

First time the Yankees have been shut out 3 consecutive games since 1975.

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Sep 23, 2016 -> 09:33 PM) I would like to have Ozzie back. If that doesn't happen, my next choice would be Wally Backman. He had a nice run in the Mets organization, but just left at the end of the season as he was tired of being overlooked for big league jobs. He would create a complete 180 change in this clubhouse though and get the most out of the roster. Hahn said Ozzie won't manage the Whie Sox again even though he is a fan. Specially mentioned all the distractions that go with it, and stepping back is not stepping forward.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Sep 23, 2016 -> 03:08 PM) I made it pretty clear that I'd be fine if they went outside of the organization. If they do, I just prefer it to be a younger guy. Kepler would be great. Even though they aren't necessarily fully out of the organization, Dave Martinez or Sandy Alomar would be cool with me. I'd also like to see someone with some fire. The Sox have been some damn boring the last few years. RH addressed this at the season ticketholder event I attended. He acknowledged teams usually go from a hyper guy to a laid back and back to hyper, but he did say that wouldn't be a thing with the White Sox should Robin be replaced. They just want to find the right guy. Players change anyways.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 23, 2016 -> 02:33 PM) The White Sox the last 10 years or so do seem to win only on the occasions we blast 3 or more homers and get the requisite strong pitching. You are right in that we need home run hitters. HOWEVER ... there is no power in baseball anymore, so we're gonna have to get used to this. We still have one guy and one only who can hit A LOT of home runs. That's Frazier. Power came back in a pretty big way this season.

I do think the Sox showed their hand a little when they went after Sandy Alomar Jr. last year. The only thing was Renteria wasn't really in play because he was going with Bud Black in DC but that fell through. So maybe Renteria was more highly thought of. If you are going to change managers though, why promote a coach on this failed team? Replace the entire staff. Clearly, if the Sox brass thought McEwing would win more games than Robin, he would be managing right now. Renteria supposedly said he wouldn't take over during the season, so maybe not him, but what exactly did he add to the 2016 team? Robin is going to go. I think he was put in a spot where failure was just about the only outcome, but bring in Sandy and some new blood to sit on the bench with him.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Sep 23, 2016 -> 12:48 PM) I'm actually surprised Joe McEwings name isn't in the mix somewhere in this discussion. He's coached under LaRussa and Bobby Valentine, and actually managed in the Sox system at one point, earning a couple of Manager of the Year awards down there. He has the requisite spark that some find attractive in a baseball manager (I am in that camp myself), so he certainly seems to have the credentials to at least be considered for the job. I don't think he ever coached under LaRussa or Valentine, not that it would be a deal breaker for me.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Sep 23, 2016 -> 01:27 PM) Ok, I'm looking. Um. The regular lineup for 1997 season featured Ray Durham with one of the worst OPS's of his career, Chris ".582 OPS" Snopek at 3B for most of the games, Ozzie Guillen sporting a .612 OPS for 140+ games at the ass end of his career, Jorge Fabregas at C with about a .680 OPS, Al Belle in the worst season he had in the late 90s. Frank Thomas had a great year and Ventura played part time. The pitching... Jamie Navarro at 9-14, Danny Darwin, James Baldwin, Wilson Alvarez only startign 22 games....need I go on? Only two starters had above .500 records and they were ONE GAME above .500. Bevington still managed them to 80 wins. How? I don't honestly know. Maybe Frank's WAR was 80 that year. Well they had Robin for about half the year. Belle, Frank, Baines, Cameron was putting up numbers similar to Melky. Dave Martinez had a pretty good year. This year Rollins started a lot. JB Shuck started a lot. Avi Garcia started a lot. Durham's OPS is pretty similar to Lawries and Saladinos.

The average amount of HR for an AL team this year is 188. There is one team that has hit more than the average amount of HRs and scored fewer than the runs scored average. Tampa Bay. The only team who has hit less than 188 HRs and scored more than the AL average is Cleveland and they have hit 180 HR. More HR=more runs. Especially where the Sox play half their games. Except for HR rates, it's actually been pitcher friendly the last several seasons. The White Sox are in the process of developing higher OBP guys. Right now, those types aren't easy to acquire. You can make up for an OBP challenged offense by hitting balls over the wall.

This is ridiculous. Terry Bevington actually once argued a call that was in the White Sox favor.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Sep 22, 2016 -> 06:37 PM) Score more runs. DGAF if it's via infield hits and stolen bases and bunts. Score. More. Runs. Don't consistently field a bottom 1/3 offense in any metric : RS, OPS, wRC+, OBP, etc. Find. More. Good. Hitters. The HR argument is bulls***. Just get better hitters. How they are good doesn't matter. 23rd in runs 22nd in home runs. The HR argument is not bulls***. You don't play home games in ah home run paradise and not have a home run happy team. It makes zero sense.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Sep 22, 2016 -> 05:22 PM) The discussion wasn't about the view, it was about the construction of a 29 row deck at an absurd angle with the opening at the deck's base. That was an architectural disaster. Seriously, it is almost beyond belief that such a design could ever be drawn up by a architectural firm, much less get approved by Sox management. New Comiskey's upper deck was so elderly and obese person unfriendly, it wasn't even funny. And it was soundly and appropriately rejected by Sox fans, as evidenced by the lack of tickets sold to sit up there in the 90s and early 00s. Like an obese or elderly person would have no problem getting to the top row at Camden Yards. Again, when the park opened , it was cheaper to sit in the outfield.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Sep 22, 2016 -> 03:10 PM) Pay closer attention to the discussion. My references to the 29th row have been in the context of the original design of the park, not in its current state. And LMAO as well, a renowned contrarian making observations about the kind of company I provide. Oh, the irony! I don't think anyone buying a 29th row upper deck ticket would be expecting a great view, no matter what the venue. Except for maybe one. There is a reason they are called the cheap seats.

The 2000 White Sox scored 978 runs. If they had that offense, they would easily be a playoff team.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Sep 22, 2016 -> 12:35 PM) I think your comments are certainly a part of the problem but not all of it. Remember the Sox have also had many years since the start of the new century where they hit a lot of home runs but also went into prolonged slumps and losing streaks because of the "home run or nothing" approach. To me the solution can be summed up in one word...balance. A team that can beat you by stealing a base, by dropping down a bunt with a man on third, by getting enough on a pitch to bloop it into short right field or by hitting a three run home run. The Sox haven't had that balance since the 2005 season. It's very difficult to do. Mark The 2005 team, up until that point, scored the second fewest runs per game than any other White Sox team since moving across the street. They were based on home runs. Hit over 200 of them. A lock down bullpen and a nice rotation does make any offensive fault look like it really isn't there. But that offense was no better than the rest. In fact quite worse in some cases. They scored over 230 fewer runs than the 2000 White Sox.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Sep 22, 2016 -> 01:48 PM) That goes back to the lack of winning over the years. Check the won/loss records. Yet you continue to whine about the 29th row in the upper deck that was removed a decade and a half ago, when the White Sox acknowledged a mistake. LMAO, you must be a fun guy to be around.

Homers are up this season. I think the ball is wound a little tighter. I knew something was up in spring training.

I think the White Sox have had one decent team since they opened their current home that didn't hit a lot of home runs. 1992 I think. One other thing I noticed is their OF positioning. The White Sox play Dyson almost in the exact same spots KC plays Avi. Perhaps one reason for some KC specials.

I just heard something pretty funny. The Gordie Howe hat trick is a goal, an assist and a fight. The Cutler hat trick is an INT, a fumble and an injury.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Sep 22, 2016 -> 06:14 AM) Defending the disaster that is the construction of the 29 row, 35 degree angled upper deck of new Comiskey is the essence of arguing just for the sake of arguing. No. Arguing to argue is continuing to mention the 29th row in the upper deck which has been gone for a decade and a half. The entire upper deck argument is silly. Not many people sat in the upper deck of the old park either. Check the attendance. When I was a kid I was at a game vs. the Yankees where the RF upper deck was closed. Reggie Jackson hit a HR up there and I was able to convince an Andy Frain to let me go get it. Pick out the worst seats at every park and there isn't one you would gripe about. Another fun fact, the first several years this park was opened, it was cheaper to buy a lower deck bleacher seat than an upper deck ticket. So more arguing to argue.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Sep 21, 2016 -> 03:19 PM) The reason his WAR is 5.7 instead of the usual solid 3.7 is because of his defense....as a right fielder. But this Whitesox braintrust diminishing its own players is certainly nothing new. He wasn't as good as his numbers. You told us that several times when saying he needed to be on a different team.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Sep 21, 2016 -> 01:57 PM) Not true at all. 29 rows at a 35 degree angle with the opening to the deck at it's base is much worse than a 27 row upper deck at a 31 degree angle with the opening somewhere in the middle. Period. There hasn't been 29 rows in the upper deck for 13 or 14 years, and the article you linked said the distance to the field was the same. The higher degree angle makes the higher seats closer. How many times did you have tickets for the 29th row in the upper deck and actually sat there? And while having the concourse higher than the base makes sense, it really doesn't change the view AT ALL from the high rows. It did take out some front row seats. Adam Jomes is calling out Orioles fans for their weak crowds. I guess a 31 degree slope wouldn't improve attendance either.

What is interesting is the article said the seats were just as far away from the field in both upper decks. The Sox park, and Camden Yards. Upper decks are pretty similar all around. Sox fans were spoiled with the old park's upper deck. That isn't happening again. People need to get over it. Of course they don't even sell out of the $15 lower deck tickets with a free t shirt when Sale pitches, so most of the whining about the upper deck is much ado about nothing.

QUOTE (InTheDriversSeat @ Sep 20, 2016 -> 05:20 PM) Also going on tonite at Philadelphia at the same time as the baseball game is an AC/DC concert at 'Wells Fargo Center', which is practically across the street from 'Citizens Bank Park'. https://www.wellsfargocenterphilly.com/events/detail/acdc . I hav been there. The football stadium is right there as well.