Dick Allen

The thing I have noticed is the White Sox rarely give up in games. They are short now in talent. Sanchez, Navarez, Coats, Garcia, all were getting time vs. KC. When your line up is the Charlotte Knights, you usually lose AAA games. Last week people were complaining Robin was trying too hard to win in an effort to save his job. That was laughable, and thinking they lost this weekend because KC wanted it more is laughable as well. The bullpen is short, the line up is short right now. They do have to clean up the mess they have made the last few years within the division. Outside of it, they are about as good as any other Central opponent. Cleaning up vs. the division is what won for them in 2005. I don't know exactly what it will take other than some new players, maybe some new scouts. We will see starting in a couple of weeks.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 20, 2016 -> 10:43 AM) In five seasons Brett Lawrie has never played 150 games. He has only been over 125 once. He has been under 100 twice. Right, and Saladino has the same issues. If you could get a haul for Lawrie, fine. What are you going to get for him? The team will be able to use both, and they both will probably miss time. I like having guys working on the last year of their contracts. Much more positive than negative. And while I am sure Saladino would rather play just one position, his value is in his ability to play multiple positions. Getting away from that doesn't make much sense to me.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 20, 2016 -> 08:08 AM) This is all nonsense. Saladino put up a .284/.315/.455/.770 slash line across 93 plate appearances in August. What changed between August & July? Oh that's right, he got consistent playing. There's nothing really flukey about those numbers either, so it's convenient you completely ignored them. And no one is arguing that Saladino is a .837 OPS player, so I'm not sure why you're cherry-picking his last nine games. Clearly his September are inflated due to a ridiculous .413 BABIP. Show me one poster who said that player is their expectation. I patiently wait for your heavily-spinned response. Because 9 games ago, he had a .690 OPS. Combine that with his .627 OPS last season, not good. Carlos Sanchez had a hot month last year. I don't see people wanting him to be a regular. He isn't as good as he has been recently, he wasn't as bad as he was previously. To say he's a starter is very premature, and that isn't even getting into the physical problems he's had since he took over for Lawrie. Missed a bunch of games with a bad back. Missed some more now with a calf problem. His minor league career is sprinkled with physical issues. We all see this team has a lack of depth. What you are proposing, making Saladino the starter, getting rid of Lawrie, thins it out even more. Saladino is good to cover multiple positions.

On the heels of 4 3 hit games, Saladino raised this season's OPS from .690 to .738 his last 9 starts. It's great that he did that, but some regressing is most likely going to occur. Before that, he didn't hit all that well. On top of that, he is hurt again. To think he is what he has been the last week and a half offensively, and he will be able to stay healthy enough to be a regular is right now a dream based on nothing. I like the guy. But he still needs to show he is for real with the bat, and can keep himself on the field.

Omar was the 5th or 6th catcher in line this year, so the fact that he provided anything was a plus. But, moving forward, there really isn't too much to be excited about, other than the bar to be a halfway decent back up catcher these days is pretty low. The pitchers do seem to like throwing to him.

Omar is in a bit over his head right now. Hopefully he can develop a bit. Right now he's a back up catcher at best with his best offensive weapon being a walk. If you are catching Rodon, you CS numbers aren't going to be pretty.

QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Sep 19, 2016 -> 01:45 PM) Definitely seems like Rodon's velocity fluctuates more than any Sox pitcher I can remember. If he's tired they should just shut him down. You just shut these guys down, how do you expect them to be ready to go when you do need them to be good in September and hopefully October?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 19, 2016 -> 09:08 AM) It is also worth noting that Tyler Saladino's OPS today is higher than any single season that Brett Lawrie has put up since his 2011 171 PAs season that he was a midseason call up. I like Tyler, but that's cherry picking to the max. 9 games ago, it was .690.

One thing they both have in common is trouble staying healthy. Saladino has had several injuries, and is currently out after hearing a pop in his calf Friday night. Might need them both around to make it through a season.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 17, 2016 -> 01:29 PM) Did you just cite the team's record as "proof" a -0.1 WAR player didn't negatively impact the team? Considering Saladino had a .647 OPS at the time of Rollins leaving, yes.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Sep 17, 2016 -> 12:50 PM) Because he's only 26 and has more range than a fence post. The White Sox were .500 when Rollins was let go. The decision didn't cost games.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Sep 17, 2016 -> 10:15 AM) Jimmy Rollins hit .220 last year and would be 37 years old! Who cares what he hit in spring training??!! I am a Saladino fan, but if you are using last year's stats, why was he clearly better?

Rollins hit .353 in the spring with 4 homers. Saladino hit .286 with 5 homers. The Sox were hitting a ridiculous amount of homers in the spring.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Sep 16, 2016 -> 10:54 PM) 119 pitches for Sale. Got get 'em Ventura and Rick Hahn. Play the starters...you get get to .500 and save your jobs. I think I can, I think I can. Sanchez and Leury in the line up. Has been consistently using Beck, Ynoa, and Minaya out the of the bullpen. Albers has made 1 appearance this month. Too bad you can't I think I can your way into actually seeing what is happening.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 16, 2016 -> 07:48 PM) Here is a new one, my HS team puts two players back on punts. The person who wasn't receiving the punt signalled for a fair catch in a trick play. No penalty called on the field, is that right? The Bears did this several years ago. Of course they were called for holding, but other than that, it worked to perfection.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 16, 2016 -> 10:00 AM) Agreed. We didn't sign Rollins to bench him. Man does that signing annoy me, still. They could have let him walk away and not pay him a dime. He looked like he could still play this spring.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 16, 2016 -> 09:38 AM) He did but Tyler outperformed him. I don't think Tyler is a starting shortstop at the major league level but I don't think it's fair to say he was given a legit shot in spring training, Rollins was definitely the guy they wanted to go with. I disagree. But it really doesn't matter, as he wasn't the SS of the future, and we all know he can play there if he has to, which seems to be the point that was apparently being questioned. It's pretty apparent he can play all the infield positons defensively if he has to, and do it pretty well. I do think they probably should limit his moving around a bit though. If they ever start giving him legit time in the OF, to play a guy at 6 or 7 positions consistently, isn't being fair to him. Let him primarily play a couple and the rest in a pinch.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 16, 2016 -> 09:26 AM) Saladino absolutely destroyed the ball in Spring Training. So did Rollins.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 16, 2016 -> 09:15 AM) Almost an entire season has been played since Rollins was signed. Things have changed since then. This organization has had nearly an entire baseball season to evaluate the kid, and for him to grow up into the role. And Saladino had a legit shot at the job in spring training. He didn't beat Rollins out. The cards were not stacked against him. Robin loves the guy. He almost made the team a few years ago.

Saladino has played over 400 games at SS for the White Sox in the minor leagues and has made 34 starts at SS this season. I think the team knows what he is capable of doing there, despite not getting 10 or 15 starts at SS last September. For some reason, I don't think those would have been the tell all if you get nothing from his minor league performance and nothing from the time there this year. In fact, Saladino has played more SS on the major league level than 2B.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 16, 2016 -> 08:17 AM) Assuming they carry 7 relievers next year with one being a long man, Burdi being called up second or third week of the season, and a second lefty, who fills out the other 4 spots? I have Jennings, Jones, Petricka and Putnam with Robertson moved. Unless someone in that group has options remaining that can be in the minors for depth purposes because we severly got bit by not having depth. You have to figure they will acquire another lefty they can use a lot. As to the rest, IMO it's a crapshoot. They have some guys like Ynoa, Beck, and Turner, who are potentially pretty good relievers. But will they take the step they need to take? Petricka and Putnam, hopefully they are both healthy and ready to pitch. Jones has been pretty great this year, despite his several naysayers. Robertson is probably trade bait, but if he rediscovers some command, he will be as unhittable as he was his first couple months with the White Sox. To me, it is going to be interesting to see what they think of their guys like Beck and Turner and Ynoa.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 15, 2016 -> 04:20 PM) Preller suspended 30 games due to not disclosing info on Pomeranz's health That's lame. He is probably going to have a,touch time making trades.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 15, 2016 -> 04:20 PM) Preller suspended 30 games due to not disclosing info on Pomeranz's health That's lame. He is probably going to have a,touch time making trades.

The funny thing about the Sox trade is EJ is the guy on the DL. If it was on purpose and they hid anything on the players hey traded, the other team should be compensated. Big difference IMO from it just happening, and actually hiding things on purpose. If MLB wants to force him out, the idiot owner of the Pads should beat them to the punch unless he was also involved.

Franconia bunting. Kipnis tried to bunt yesterday. He must be an idiot.