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QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 08:34 AM) They would likely. But I just don't see a team claiming him for the full amount. I think it's more likely he'd clear waivers and then a team would try to make a deal even though teams also have that option today still. Right. That's why it isn't a big deal if he isn't traded today. He's an easy waiver clear.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 08:26 AM) I don't think sox would just let him go for nothing. I guess there is a chance they could just to receive money from SD. I think a team would consider that though before placing a claim so it's probably a moot point to even talk about. If someone claimed Shields off waivers, the Sox wouldn't owe him a dime and still would have about $27 million coming into their bank account from SD. They would take that in a heartbeat. Any trade would require the SD money to move along with Shields.

People were saying the same things about Baez last year they are saying about Gallo now. Gallo may never hit .250, but he is going to be a 40 homer guy. If the Sox got 4 or 5 prospects, he being one wouldn't be too shabby.

I don't think people should get their panties in a bunch if guys like Shields and Melky aren't moved today. These are guys, who could be moved next month. Shields would clearly clear waivers as any team that claims him would be on the hook for his entire contract, not just the White Sox portion, and the White Sox would still get paid by SD. Melky is owed a decent sum next season, and it is doubtful a non contending team would claim him. For today, Sale, Q, and Robertson are the guys who if not moved today, aren't going to be moved this season.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 07:32 AM) . It's hard for me to believe that there was much of a market for Shields, an aging pitcher who was getting tatooed. But let's assume there was. Shouldn't Hahn be able to move him now, now that he is pitching much better and the market is tight? And if Hahn did strike a good deal the first time, now that he's pitching well, not only should he move him, but for more than he paid. He wasn't getting tattooed. His ERA was barely over 3.00 before his final outing in SD.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:27 AM) Like living in Milwaukee is so much better lol Most of the time, these guys with the limited no trade clauses have them in there for financial reasons. They normally have all the big market contenders on their so if they do get traded there they have some leverage in squeezing out more money. This didn't seem the case here. He must really not want any part of Cleveland. I am sure the Tribe could offer him an extension that would make him think summers in Cleveland are the nicest summers .

It doesn't look like they liked him as much as Keenyn Walker. Maybe a decent 4th OF is a real nice return for Duke. But as I posted before and has been posted a couple times since, there really is no reason to make this trade right now unless something big is going to happen. LH relief is needed. Relief is needed. He doesn't make a ton of money, and the prospect coming back isn't overwhelming. Some dominoes are going to fall.

Meh. No power on a team that needs power in the park in which they play. If it is even possible, the Sox bullpen gets worse. But obviously not a huge loss. I would imagine they wouldn't make this trade unless there is more coming.

Flu like symptoms. No hugs.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 06:23 PM) Quintana vs Nolasco Sox https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/759132646941130752 Twins https://twitter.com/Twins/status/759123949057826816 Q's last start? Morneau's return to Target Field. I am pretty sure Q will make at least a few more starts.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 02:34 PM) In Evan Grant's latest article(Rangers beat writer) referring to the White Sox and Rays "The good news on this is this: There has been significant dialogue. Dialogue often leads to last-minute compromise in which both teams are willing to acquiesce a bit to the other's demands and in exchange for compromises on the other side." http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/texas-rang...ing-alternative What this writer doesn't seem to understand is it's not like Sale is going to be a free agent after this season, or next season, or the season after that. There is no need for the White Sox to compromise. Either meet the price or scram.

QUOTE (Soxnfins @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 01:16 PM) Keep talking to Houston. Springer, Bregman, and McCullers in a deal for Sale seems like a perfect match. Honestly, I'd be talking to Houston the most and keep it on the DL, but the White Soc aren't that smart.... Or are they? Not nearly as smart as us message board posters. Not. Even. Close.

QUOTE (Footlongcomiskeydog @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 12:48 PM) The Sox FO is more delusional than I thought if they honestly think that Shields is gonna bring back a top 5 prospect plus 2 other prospects. Never gonna happen. Shields will still be in a Sox uniform next week if that is the asking price and the Sox won't budge. It does seem high, but you never know. Future Sox preseason #5 Sox prospect was Tyler Danish. A team's Tyler Danish and a couple of lesser guys doesn't seem like a really steep price if Shields performs like a #3 or #4 pitcher.

Fulmer is an excellent example of how many posters just whacking off at the very thought of a total rebuild will just be their old pissed off selves if it ever really comes to fruition. They are already complaining about Carson Fulmer because a guy who was drafted last year isn't dominating everyone every game.

According to Levine, Sox price on Shields, one of their top 5 prospects and 2 lesser ones.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 09:42 AM) lmao Caulfield you were pimping and preening Lincecum every bad start Shields had. He was going sell more in tickets than he would be paid. It is amazing anyone thought this guy was going to be anything. He's been bad in the NL in a pitcher's park for 5 years, and coming off surgery. How many times does someone have to be whacked in the head to realize it hurts? Not enough for Billy Eppler.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 06:51 PM) That homerun is immediately mitigated by the fact that he went 2 for 16 against Tampa in the ALDS, he pretty much single-handedly sunk their season with his playoff performance. Or do playoff at bats not count as clutch situations? That is why Frank Thomas sucks. 2 postseason series he hit .000. Take his plaque back

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 06:39 PM) And what an incredible playoff run it was, odd how both of you mention the same "clutch" moment, perhaps because that was about it? At least Kris Bryant plays the field, Thome was too busy clogging the bases to pick up a glove. Really hard to believe that guy came up as a thirdbaseman. Just like Frank Thomas. Why is he in the HOF?

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 06:31 PM) People would appreciate Thome's time in a Sox uniform a lot more if he could ever pick up a clutch hit. 35 HR a year don't mean s*** if they're hit when it doesn't matter. Off the top of my head I can remember a couple that were pretty clutch. One in particular got them in the playoffs. His 500th was a walk off. Kris Bryant's OPS...927 Jim Thimes OPS in his 4 years with the White Sox.....933

QUOTE (dmbjeff @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 02:36 PM) If you can get Moncada and Benitendi in a deal for Sale along with some mid level prospects and Q can go to the Dodgers for their best prospects Urias, Deleon, Bellinger etc. You are looking to get back 8-10 prospects in total I imagine in these deals. If only 2 of them become All Star type talents, you won these deals. If you get more than 2 All Stars, you really won the deal. In addition to the farm we are currently building, this team could be competitive again quickly in 2018 or 2019. Look at this lineup for 2018 and think of how cheap and good the roster could be. RF Eaton SS Anderson 2B Moncada DH Abreu C Collins 3B Frazier(if resigned or another FA or a prospect they trade for this weekend) 1B Bellinger CF Benitendi LF Melky(if resigned or another FA or a prospect they trade for this weekend) SP Urias SP Rodon SP Deleon SP Fulmer SP Hansen This lineup is much better than what it could be with keeping Sale and Q. We would continue to have 3-4 holes in the lineup just like we do now and we have seen how that has worked out. I at least trust them to develop pitching as they have a good track record there and rebuild that quickly. How is trading 2 in their prime All Stars signed to team friendly contracts a win if 2 of the players acquired turn into all stars?

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 02:59 PM) I don't think they should, either a team overpays or you keep him. Fair value for Sale is not enough to make it worthwhile. Which is why it's probably not going to happen. Especially with prospects. Trading a 5 time All Star in his prime with a contract as team friendly, has to be close to unprecedented.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 02:29 PM) Meanwhile, the poster wasn't blaming the front office for anything in that particular post, but rather sharing his opinion about what he thought would be management's upcoming course of action given their current situation. So that is what seems appropriate, given what a message board is presumably designed to allow someone to do - sharing opinions. Then anyone who, if Sale and Quintana are still White Sox after the deadline, who are going to be upset about it, shouldn't use the "well then you can't have Chris Sale" line. You should subscribe to the "they must be traded, just get what you can" team. It's funny someone would say I am defending the front office. I don't like KW, haven't for years, even when he was popular. I've questioned Hahn as much as anyone, and all the way down. What the Yankees got for Chapman or the Braves got for Miller really doesn't mean any team's offer for Sale is going to be based on that. The fewer the teams that can afford the package to acquire Sale, the less competition, and most likely the less bang for your buck for the seller. Sale can be 10 times the pitcher Shelby Miller is. He won't get you 10 times the package Atlanta got for him. I used a house as an example. If you built a $100 million house and in 5 years all the homes in your neighborhood doubled in value, chances are, if you sold, you wouldn't get anything near $200 million. The buyers are too limited. There are only a few teams that could meet what the Sox and the rest of us would want for Chris Sale. That will make it really tough to trade him before you almost have to. The Sox have a $100 million house they would sell for $150 million. They just need a Saudi prince or someone who has to have Sale no matter the cost.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 09:24 AM) Oh yeah. And brought nothing back with that move. If his physical went well, they would have acquired Arrieta. Of course that's a Baltimore physical. Probably 95% of this year's Olympians would fail.

Turner and Fulmer will be working out of the bullpen. Ranaudo will be a starter. There is no spot in the rotation for him or I would guess he would stay.

I am so sorry for you and your family. He's a beautiful little boy. I don't know you , but this really has shaken me . I wish you and your family peace and strength.