Dick Allen

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 19, 2016 -> 08:29 PM) It really might be the most inept front office in baseball right now. Nothing they have done during this season has made sense. If you were a DBacks fan I think you would say the same thing.

QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 19, 2016 -> 05:41 PM) Lawrie back in the Barons lineup according to Hayes. That is good. After I heard about it on the broadcast, I looked online. Stone made it sound like amputation was the probable outcome. The others said it would set him back a couple of days.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 10:02 PM) I didn't want to start a new thread unless I could do a poll within a thread. But PLEASE answer this. Congratulations, Democrats. I concede and Hillary Rodham Clinton is our next President against my wishes. However, please answer this question in poll format. Q-After eight years, how will we feel about Hillary's Presidency? a.) Great. She will be the best since Kennedy. Or best since her husband. b.) Awful. She will be a fricking disaster. c.) Same ol same ol. Our country will continue to flounder, the economy will continue to be piss poor and the world will remain very dangerous. My vote: b. Just like with Obama, the unemployment rate will be lower than the Republican candidates said they would get it down to, the GDP will be higher than the goal the Republican candidates will have at election time, gas prices will be lower that what the Republican candidates will say under their leadership they will get it down to, and Hillary will be deemed a total disaster, maybe the worst president ever, more of the same. Just like Obama who beat all of Mitt's targets. Trump is the candidate of truth. He has turned the corner. Just ignore the lies he told in his speech proclaiming that.

Who knows. Kerry Wood used to walk everybody. No one seems to hit Hansen at all even when he was demoted in college. I would suspect that to continue as he goes up the chain. Just have enough command to eat some innings.

I just hope Hawk is OK health wise. I love the Hawk, but cutting back might be what is best for him, and the two different styles aren't bad either. I don't have a problem with Jason. It is interesting you know exactly how the game is going when Hawk is around just by the tone, but with Jason it can be joking and laughing when the Sox are down 5-2 in the 9th. It doesn't bother me. It's a game, he might give me some perspective even if it is just for a little while that a White Sox loss shouldn't ruin my day. A Jose Abreu error shouldn't make me want to bash in my TV.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 19, 2016 -> 10:40 AM) Most objective observers consider him a 1B in the same way Frank Thomas was one...it's one of the main reasons he's been at negative overall value for most of the season, and why his trade value is down dramatically. He has to be an 850-875 ops hitter to justify that below average defensive. And Semien has almost doubled Abreu in homers from a "defense first" position, although the overall offensive output from SS has improved dramatically over the last two years due to the injection of young talent at that position around the majors. A trade that had to be made. Do I have to dig up your post again Donald? Or were you being sarcastic? I am just pointing out error totals don't tell the entire story. I know Abreu is pretty brutal at 1B.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 19, 2016 -> 10:28 AM) Interesting. Although your math is off enough that I'm noting it, it's provocative to note that his error numbers have gone down at the same time as his total defense metrics gotten worse. Given the dropoff with the bat also, left wondering if maybe there isn't a more specific physical issue bothering him all year that he's just playing through. Your math is off as well. Not quite 50% with Abreu but he has played 1B as much as he did all of last season. Semien still has some games to go to reach last years amount. Semien's defensive metrics were down a week or so ago as well. Now they are up barely. I will now note you take total errors as a huge indicator of defensive prowess, as I remember how generous the official scorer in Oakland was to Marcus the first series of the year.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 19, 2016 -> 10:35 AM) A league average SS or better than average 2b is worth a lot more than a short reliever unless that reliever is close to elite (Miller, Herrera, Betances, etc.) That was a trade that had to be made according to you. Now you can't even let it go. Change your name to Trump.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 19, 2016 -> 09:51 AM) Well, another person who hasn't noticed that Semien has cut his error total in half. So has Jose Abreu.

55 innings 37 hits 12 walks 61 strikeouts 2.13 ERA. 0.89 WHIP Boy does Nate Jomes suck.

Supposedly Larry Halomes is supposed to discuss what he calls fairly ugly news about the White Sox on the Score any minute now.

Almost 13k in attendance. Maybe the Indians have to move.

QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 04:08 PM) Honestly though, it still doesnt validate how DA lumps a few peoples opinion to cover the span of the entire board population. He does this often. You just did it to but I am not going to make it seem like there are a bunch of posters that do that. I wrote some which is accurate. You are taking that as lumping many. But that isn't what I wrote or meant.

QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 03:25 PM) You must have put him up to this nonsense. I wish I had that influence. Not only Fulmer but much, much more.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 03:20 PM) I was surprised to see how unbalanced his delivery was on the mound and his inability to locate pitches. He seems like a thrower more than a pitcher. As far as "bringing him up early" that is such nonsense. If he hasn't figured it out by now that may never happen for him. On the contrary, bringing him provided valuable information to management. They now know that they cannot rely on Fulmer being part of the Sox rotation next season or maybe ever. I'm very disappointed that the Sox took this kid in the first round last year. It looks like another terrible Draft pick. Instead of Rodon and Fulmer the Sox could have picked two position players that could have had a positive and immediate impact on this team. If Collins can't catch, they may have blown this year's first round pick as well. Uh, Shipps?

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 02:32 PM) David KaplanVerified account ‏@thekapman I posed this to @CarmenDeFalco @ESPNChiCubs @Plesac19 As a Sox fan: Would u trade Chris Sale for Theo? lol Somebody needs to tell Kap, Theo is about to become a free agent.

QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 03:07 PM) No they dont count at all. Game threads are the lowest common denominator of baseball knowledge than any thread in the universe. How do you not know this by now? You just choose to pretend that people are actually attempting at giving well thought out opinions and you then generalize a group of fans to fitting the narrative of your choice. Game threads are posters typing their emotions for that little voice in their heads while they are watching their team. Sounds like what goes on in most threads.

QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 02:58 PM) A game thread!? You have to be kidding me. Game threads are no indication of what people actually believe and you know that. So opinions in a game thread don't count? I guarantee you if Fulmer busts, these same posters will be pointing out they told everyone so back in a game thread. Obviously, this year hasn't gone as planned for him, but sometimes failure makes you better. I still like this guy. And I like the fact the Sox were aggressive with him. I see no harm in what they did. They could have kept him in Birmingham mowing down hitters the same way. He now knows at least some of the things he needs to work on to get major league hitters out.

QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 02:53 PM) LOL DA you know damn well anybody that would do that just doesnt know baseball. I havent even seen anybody to say that and if you did you cant paint the picture as if there are a group of people that believe that. You are being overly dramatic as usual. Some have written him off. Read a gamethread. Until a highly touted White Sox pitcher fails, I'm going to think they know what they are doing with them . Positions players, I'm with the complainers. Assume the worst.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 02:49 PM) He pitched 150 innings last year in college and the minors. He ought to have surpassed that this season, or at least matched it. He's at 98 right now. They are on a nice path to having his innings actually go DOWN from what he threw in 2015. Might go down a bit, but relief innings with all the warming up etc. are a bit more on the body. Chris Sale went from 71 innings to 192 between 2011 and 2012. Hopefully, Fulmer puts it together next season, and there is no reason to think he wouldn't be prepared to go 175.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 02:40 PM) That's no where near "having no problems putting guys away". You just didn't check first. There was no reason to call this pitcher up from that performance. At least give him a couple months to make sure his turnaround was legit. He wasn't having problems. I don't see what is wrong with challenging a guy, and keeping his innings, which were going to be limited, in check. He pitched about 9 innings. Big deal. This could have been the plan all along. If he could contribute to the bullpen and they were contending, he probably is still on the team. Now they can send him down, stretch him out and bring him back for a couple of starts, and he and the team will have a better idea of where he stands for next season instead of just hoping. Some have already written him off as a wasted draft pick.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 02:20 PM) No it was not. I actually checked. In order. Callup 5 innings, 2 runs, 103 pitches (lot of pitches for 5 innings) 7 innings, 0 runs, 3 hits, 4 walks (solid start) 7 innings, 0 runs, 2 hits, 2 walks (his best start of the year) Those 3 starts followed: 4.1 innings, 6 runs 6.2 innings, 3 runs 6 innings, 3 runs 4 innings, 3 runs, 7 walks 2.1 innings, 9 runs. Prior to those 3 strong starts his ERA was 5.82, and it had basically been over 5 all year. Literally 3 starts of success. I think he had a string of 3 or so starts in April that were pretty good. And those 6 innings 3 runs games might have been better than they look on paper.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 02:27 PM) Given the choice, I'll let Ventura stay and remove Hahn and Williams. However, I think the wisest, most obvious course is to clean house completely. After all, you can't be sure which part is the failed part, they may all have, so just replace the whole thing and you've got a shot at fixing it. That's fine. I do think of the 3, firing Robin makes the least amount of difference. And I am sure he won't be back. It will win over some people, but they will hate the next guy just as much if they don't fix the roster. And from JR's call to Kaplan, it seems Hahn and KW are confirmed for another year.

QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 02:11 PM) How would you know that? As a fan that doesnt have insight to what goes on behind the scenes I would think the most effective way of judging a manager is by a good sample size of baseball seasons of making or not making the playoffs, to start. Then you see if they have control of the locker room. Players doing what they want or throwing tantrums dont help a managers case. The roster has a lot to do with winning and losing. The reality is most managers who are supposedly great have had some really bad years and it wasn't because they were suddenly stupid. If Robin is a big part of the problem, the roster isn't nearly as bad as many want to make it. Would that be fair?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 01:49 PM) For literally 3 starts. It was longer than that. Besides, he had an innings limit so moving him to the bullpen on the major league roster made some sense. Now they will stretch him out a couple of AAA starts and maybe he gets a start or 2 in September.