Dick Allen

QUOTE (shipps @ May 12, 2016 -> 03:03 PM) All of the stars in the past would have been accustomed to being more tactful in keeping their skeletons in the dark. They wouldnt have been out there picking up prostitutes if they knew people had cameras on their cell phones recording them...or maybe they would. The other thing is Michael Jordan isn't hanging at clubs picking up chicks. All the stuff he did was pretty private. If there was no paramedic call to Tiger, all that stuff would probably never have come out. Ray Rice got nailed because he beat his wife at a hotel with a security camera. If he beat her somewhere private, he would have gotten away with a minimal suspension. I do think you are correct with the tact. He was always very protective of his brand.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 12, 2016 -> 02:40 PM) Is this the stage where you just start naming names of other people and things? I have no idea what Michael Jordan is up to now, but you seem to think he is still up to stuff. You tell me what he is up to, I don't know. As for the information on him, I think it is very clear that these things are dug into MUCH more deeply today. Two good examples of it have already been given in this thread. There are more out there. 2 examples out of thousands. One was Tiger who was doing this stuff for years before anyone reported it. The other was a wife beater who was arrested and suspended, and wasn't a very good player anymore. I'll give you without TMZ Ray Rice would have played football again. How did Kobe survive and being sort of heroic after what he did? This is a very forgiving society. Especially with stars. Jordan would have been Jordan no matter what, and people would have still looked the other way, especially media as they kind of liked he was good to them.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 12, 2016 -> 02:02 PM) That is a complete non sequitur. The absence of something isn't proof of something else. Besides, what is he doing now that TMZ is ignoring? Apparently they aren't digging deep enough. As you said he punched a teammate, he gambled, he cheated on his wife..all stuff we already knew but if all these things were around they would have dug and found much more. That is what you have claimed. So why wouldn't they try to dig up something now? What do you think they would have done to Walter Payton? Do you think the NFL Man of the Year award would be named in his honor?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 12, 2016 -> 01:53 PM) That is kind of the point actually. This was all going on in an era where none of this stuff was around, and stories like this faded away pretty quickly. There was no digging, there was no outrage for outrages sake. There was no reverberation and 24 hour rumor mill. There weren't the millions of amatuers fishing for clicks based on whatever they can get them from. Jordan punches two different teammates at two different times (at least) and we find out about it years later, even though the local media all knew when it happened. The gambling stuff happened, and had some cursory reporting, but how many people really dug into it and got details? Who knows what else is out there that we had no idea about. In 2016, what is to say that someone with their phone out doesn't get Jordan on video doing any of this stuff? Maybe they get Jordan on tape using a slur about Krause. Who knows. But that is exactly it. You can hand wave it away all you want, but the reality is it isn't the same environment as having your local media protect you like it was 30 years ago. 2016 Michael Jordan is still around. He's still popular. He's still most likely doing things you would think TMZ and the like would bury him for. Yet nothing. Tell me why.

What would TMZ or youtube or twitter uncover about Jordan's gambling,and womanizing and anything about his dad that wasn't already out there?

I read what really eats into NFL attendance is fantasy football, which is supposedly also a reason the NFL's popularity vs. other sports. A huge amount of people want to watch multiple games at the same time. It's good for bars.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 12, 2016 -> 12:53 PM) If you can't see the difference between the way the media handled him today, and the way social media intensifies a story today, no amount the typical back and forths where you search for one key word to take exception with will change anything. I can't because Michael Jordan is still around making more money than ever. Why isn't he getting destroyed? You seem to blow that off.

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 12, 2016 -> 12:44 PM) I was told the Sox were not impressed by Lincecum at his showing. Lincecum in the AL at USCF is a bad idea unless he can turn back the clock 5 years. From all accounts, his showcase didn't show he was anywhere near that. I never saw where he was an obvious upgrade to what they have. As long as he's not, I'm glad they agree. I suppose if he was anywhere near as good as the White Sox needed him to be, a team closer to his geographical preference would be throwing some money at him.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 12, 2016 -> 12:46 PM) Punching multiple teammates and everything to do with his dad would be have been perfect in's to it. But those aren't some secrets nobody knows about. He's already had that thrown at him and it bounced off his back. Do you really think all these star athletes today who aren't getting burned in the press and social media lead lives on the straight and narrow? That they don't do anything remotely near the things in which you think MJ would get destroyed?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 12, 2016 -> 12:24 PM) Jordan was also involved in a lot of nasty things that social media would have loved to run with. Since you apparently know of all the nasty things, I'm guessing millions of others did as well. How were you able to find these things out without the social media that is in place today?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 11, 2016 -> 01:41 AM) There would be no way to shadow his father being murdered shortly after all the gambling stuff in 2016. It would be been Armageddon. You act like it was glossed over. There was plenty of media coverage into his gambling, even a book. We all know his father was murdered. We all know he punched Steve Kerr at practice. This social media of today stuff that would have eaten him up is BS. He's still around with today's social media making more money on shoes in a year than he did his entire career playing basketball. Yet where are all the scandalous stories that would destroy him? Players are still cheating on their wives, they are still doing things they shouldn't probably be doing, and aren't getting killed on social media. The fact is, especially with Jordan, he wasn't out in public enough for anything really to get him on twitter or instagram or facebook.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 12, 2016 -> 09:04 AM) I would assume so. Unfortunately the original source of the article only give bottom 5 and top 5 so it's hard to say where the Sox would fit in. KC averaged over a 12 last year. That's impressive. Cubs were at 3.31. A couple of years ago, the Cubs were down by the Sox on this list IIRC. Hopefully the Sox will keep giving people a reason to tune in.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 12, 2016 -> 08:49 AM) And actually while it's a big jump, that 1.3 rating would have been just 27th out of 29 teams last year (Toronto not evaluated) instead of 29 out of 29. Encouraging to see a jump but we have a long ways to go. Wouldn't a 1.3 in Chicago still be more households than better ratings in many other cities?

QUOTE (3GamesToLove @ May 12, 2016 -> 08:33 AM) I'm not much into football these days, but my fiancee is. I've taken her to some preseason games in the 200 level the last couple of years. Those are kind of relaxing and fun but I'd like to take her to a regular season game sometime since I'm always taking her to baseball/basketball games. From StubHub, looks like the game gainst Tennessee in late November is by far the most affordable (aside from Christmas Eve). I can get in for under $100, which seems unheard of from what I've seen in the past. Is the 400 level really bad? What if it's within the first 15 rows? Is it worth the upgrade to get into 300? I'd like to stay under $150 if possible. 400 level is fine if you are in between the 20's and in the first couple of rows. There is a trick to Bears tickets. They release pretty nice seats around 5 pm on Fridays before home games. As far as way up on the 400 level, I haven't been up there but my sister was given tickets and said it sort of sucked. Of course she was also in the corner.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ May 11, 2016 -> 06:28 PM) Here's something else to consider, the Rangers have had at least NINE two out RBI's in the past two games. They had five of them in that horrific 8th inning yesterday and they got four more of them today. NINE at least. That's brutal. Mark 2 out RBI are pretty common.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ May 11, 2016 -> 06:14 PM) Someone is going to have to explain this to me. Why would Ventura try a hit and run with Sanchez (who hardly plays) AND a slow / average runner at first base? He screws up the bullpen in a winnable game last night and he makes this strange decision this afternoon. Guess he's back to his normal self now. At least they didn't get swept but these last two games...all you can do is shake your head. Since the Baltimore series the Sox aren't playing that well just 7-6. Robin also said the pen was limited today but that doesn't make a lot of sense either since they have two off days in the next five. On to New York and hopefully better things. And I agree suddenly the starting rotation doesn't look so hot...Latos is now back on Earth, Rodon is struggling and the 5th starter, well if I've figured this right the Sox are 0-5-2 (no decisions) in those games that they have started. Doesn't mean the Sox haven't won any of those games just that the 5th starter did not get the decision. Mark 82-80 anything better is gravy. That is your quote. The bullpen was limited last night, and he said it was today. Putnam has had shoulder issues in the past and did warm up yesterday after pitching Monday. Maybe he had an issue, may someone is sick. Sanchez makes contact he stays out of a DP. Incidentally if he didn't run and Melky did what he did, it would have been a DP anyway. Now their top bullpen guys get 3 days off, a couple get 2, they should be in good shape for the Yankees and Astros. Still in first place. Still with a nice lead.

QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ May 11, 2016 -> 03:28 PM) Last night was somewhat excusable because we had two backend guys we just couldn't use (Jones and DRob). Today? Not so much....you run Putnam, Jones, Robertson out for 1ip each and you live with the result. If you are running them out there for an inning, you have to get through the 6th. No?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 11, 2016 -> 03:26 PM) because the guy on the mound is tougher vs righties and the guy on deck is a better hitter. But other than that, who knows And they both got a hit anyway, so it doesn't look like it mattered.

QUOTE (ronkark @ May 11, 2016 -> 03:22 PM) Desmond plays like he's mad at the Sox for not signing him. The pen has been atrocious this series. 3 leads blown yesterday and 3 so far today already. The pen just blew this one lead and it was on a bloop hit after the guy came in with a man on 3rd.

QUOTE (Blackout Friday @ May 11, 2016 -> 02:31 PM) Rugby's a rough game, man That explains it. You guys are nuts.

QUOTE (Blackout Friday @ May 11, 2016 -> 02:28 PM) I've had my teeth through my lip three times. A couple stitches and he's fine. Should be good for Friday if that's all it is. It isn't a bit deal. 3 times? People need to stay away from you.

Hopefully Latos can get with the program here, because if he gets knocked out early, I'm pretty sure Carroll is coming in.

New jibs for Frazier. Anyone notice Stone stopped calling him Frasor, although he did once last night.

Duncan Keith would stay in the game.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ May 11, 2016 -> 02:11 PM) Saladino has got 1 pitch in the strike zone in two at bats, yet somehow has two Ks. That's why he has 2 k's . His next walk will be his first of the season. His OBP is lower than his batting average.