Dick Allen

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 07:00 AM) Why spill all the beans to the media when the Sox already won? They unloaded AL and regained his $13 mil. I agree this was handled pretty badly through a PR standpoint but you've even said it yourself, in a week almost no one will be talking about this. Especially if this team starts winning, this is going to be a footnote in the 2016 season if the Sox contend. Why bury a player and keep a war of words going through the media? Kenny has no problem looking like a villain, he knows he already won, even if things look bleak with the "clubhouse issues" now, they are saying they are as united as ever, and if they aren't, then they aren't mentally tough to grind out a season anyway. Just because the kid had a locker in the clubhouse doesn't mean he should be taking normal drills and BP like he's an actual player, no other player/team does this as much as LaRoche/White Sox did. I just don't want to read how much of an ass LaRoche is for expecting the White Sox to live up to their end of an agreement. And then coming up with stories like safety issue, which could be a legit issue, but make no sense considering the White Sox never addressed the issue, KW apparently never mentioned safety to the players. Sale never mentioned KW said safety, he just said players complained, then changed it to coaches complained, then changed it to ownership complained. If you had a plumbing issue and needed a plumber, called around and got prices, and the job turned out exactly as you described, which I think this situation is as Drake was around in Washington and the Sox vetted it out, and you hired the guy who quoted the cheapest price, but when he gave you the invoice it became the most expensive, would you be understanding because "things change"?

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:31 PM) KW asked Adam several times to keep Drake off the field during drills as the org would be liable for any injury that occurred to his boy. Adam flat out refused time and again to a belligerent degree. That is what set off Kenny and he wasn't the only one that was concerned. Ironically Kenny was more concerned about Drake's safety than Mr. #FamilyFirst. That's what some need to know about LaRoche's behavior. How come Kenny never mentioned safety to the press? How come this wasn't addressed last season? How come they gave the kid a locker and uniform during spring training this season? How come this wasn't address for a couple weeks this spring? How come it was still OK to do it, just not as much? I think the answer is because it is BS. As to his being on the mound during a drill, does anyone know exactly what kind of drill they were running? What kind of drill would compromise his safety being on the mound? There aren't many.

QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 09:15 PM) How do you arrive at that, do tell It states the White Sox agreed to Drake being around as much as LaRoche wished. It states KW did tell him there was zero access. KW could ask him to "dial it back" but if he had an agreement and didn't want to "dial it back" whether you think it is the right thing to do or not, it doesn't matter, he shouldn't have to "dial it back". The White Sox should be held to their agreement. LaRoche said the White Sox did their due diligence when he made this request. That totally lines up with what Rick Hahn said at Soxfest 2015. I just hope for those who go by "things change", you don't get a job someday where there is no contract, agree to a certain salary and when you get your first check the numbers don't add up. That happened to me many years ago. Believe me, things change won't fit the narrative when you are the one who was lied to. The BS about his being on the field and getting hurt doesn't add up. He has been there over a year. If that was such a concern why wouldn't they have addressed this sooner instead of coming back to spring training giving him his own locker and uniform? I will hang up and listen for my answer.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 08:22 PM) So true, if they were mad at RV, they probably boycott a few games this week And they probably suck until JR gives the OK to launch him.

If Chris Sale gets traded because of this, it really would be time for JR to sell.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 08:19 PM) Why the hell was Drake on the mound during a drill? He probably was giving Sale some water, or giving Danks and EJ tips.

QUOTE (Condor13 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 08:16 PM) Sale doesn't care, KW told the players it was the coaches. He told the coaches it was the players, then he told everyone it was JR. He flat out lied and should be fired tonight. Noone in that locker room can trust him even RV and RH. It is better they hate KW than Robin.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 08:09 PM) This is exactly what I said it was yesterday. Players and coaches went to KW and complained about the kid always being around instead of going to LaRoche. KW had meeting with LaRoche asking him to dial it back. LaRoche didn't do so. KW flipped out and told LaRoche that he couldn't have his kid around anymore. KW cooled down and went back to his original story of telling LaRoche only sometimes. Chris Sale is a moron and probably doesn't even realize that he has teammates that went to Kenny in the first place. Kenny fell on the sword and took this all so players and coaches didn't have to. It wasn't handled properly but LaRoche didn't exactly take Williams very seriously. LaRoche is irrational. I'm happy he's gone because he's weird and bad and I don't feel like watching him all year. You really had the kid can't come around anymore yesterday?

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 07:56 PM) Which one you referring to? The one where now Nightengale says they agreed to let his son be around as much as he wanted when he signed. The big one. KW only let us know he told him to dial it back, he forgot he told him to not bring the kid around anymore. KW is full of s***.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 07:53 PM) You really think KW didn't tell him there were complaints? Wasn't there. Have no idea, still the Sox reneged on their deal according to another source. But that is cool because LaRoche sucks right?

QUOTE (Rooftop Shots @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 07:51 PM) Hawk with The KW theory. Here;s mine dded to it. I know that I am wayyyy out in left field, but was just wondering. Since they tried to trade LaRoche and failed, do you think that there is even a smidgen of a possibility that all of this is from JR to get rid of LaRoche and it is KW taking the brunt to cover for him? I mean they do have their staff meetings. Any possibility that JR stressed the fact that after the fiasco last year and thus year having back issues, that JR may have implicated in their meetings.Enough is enough. Do what you have to do. I may be wayyyy offf, but who knows if KW did what he did the way that he did because he feels pressure from upstairs. we may NEVER know what really happened If this was a ploy to get him to retire, they all need to find new jobs.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 07:47 PM) Well, he was lying that he would address it if there were any issues brought to his attention. No. Read his statement. He Sid if a teammate or manager came to him he would deal with it since the clubhouse is their office. It wasn't KW's . Did KW tell him a teammate or coach had a problem or did he just say there was a problem? And why did KW leave the whole entir ban out of his story. I think KW feeds Nightengale info and that falls in perfectly with Sales complaints about KW not being able to keep his story straight. Telling the players it was the coaches, thellimg the coaches it was the players and finally telling everyone it was JR.

Nightingales story confirms La Roche wasn't lying.

If KW is lying as much as a couple players claim, he should be canned, but he won't. They will just sweep it under the rug. If JR doesn't have a press release that rivals the Thibs hatchet job last summer slamming LaRoche, it is pretty obvious who was in the wrong.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 03:18 PM) Zach Phillips outrighted, and he elected free agency. 43 in camp. He must have loved the Drake.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 03:25 PM) I think this is exactly what happened. In fact, I think a big issue was having his own locker. I can easily see a few of the newcomers looking around and thinking: "really?" LaRoche didn't build the locker and sew a uniform.

We are beginning to see "sources". KW told the coaches players complained. So someone has a coach for a source. KW told the players coaches complained. So someone has a player for a source. KW then said it was all JR. If LaRoche met one on one with JR and wrote what he wrote today, it seems like that would be a lie as well. Sometimes in these jobs you have to bend the truth, but it is starting to look more and more like KW just decided the kid should not be there so did what he did.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 03:06 PM) White Sox chairman Jerry Reinsdorf met with Adam LaRoche one on one yesterday. He also plans to meet with the players at some point https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/710916143373012992 Classic new White Sox fan excuse on that tweet. A guy now won't buy tickets because of Sale and Eaton. He was going to buy a lot of them too.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 02:26 PM) Do you think the Sox will continue their Family Sundays promotions? Maybe not every Sunday. Maybe not half of them. But there is a big space between 0 and 50%.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 02:05 PM) Wasn't it reported that AL & KW spoke last week about scaling it back? It seems AL didn't comply and then KW said then not at all. KW does seem the type that if he felt LaRoche ignored him, the second time around he would tell him no access.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 02:03 PM) Doesn't matter at this time. Either LaRoche or KW is lying about what was said in that meeting And Sale said KW lied about something else.

QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 01:48 PM) Regardless of how anyone felt about LaRoche's kid, it sounds like they're upset with the principle of KW meddling instead of just working it out in the clubhouse. That seems right.

Maybe JR should have had these discussions before KW took action.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 01:44 PM) He seems pretty subdued in the video as well compared to how the tweets made him sound. Those tweets made it seem like he was on PCP or something.

QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 01:28 PM) Sorry but Frazier has been around for about 10 minutes, it's silly for him to think he has the pulse down of the entire team. Especially when multiple sources have said there were complaints about it from some players. Multiple sources said the Sox were signing Cespedes. I would think he has the pulse of the team better than any of us, or any one source.