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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 4, 2015 -> 12:50 PM) In the exact same manner you did. Not really. First off, we really don't know if Thibs gave Van Gundy info and told him to run with it. Secondly, even if he did, it would have been in response to leaked info that we all heard. The beginning of the slam Thibs campaign.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 4, 2015 -> 12:42 PM) If that is the standard, there is a lot of truth in what Jerry said too. But it also ignores the fact that the guys he is sticking with were, at the very least, doing the same thing. They should have just let it go. Maybe something good comes out of this and GarPax will be more scrutinized by the press. I am no fan of Cowley, and he probably just ruined his career as a Bulls beatwriter, but he did have the nerve to ask the Mayor how he could trust GarPax after what they did to VDN and Thibs.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 4, 2015 -> 12:31 PM) the problem is, this is nothing but rumors, about Van Gundy. so unless there is proof and not speculation, the bulls should have done it classy. how ever in a month, it would be over. I do agree. They should have taken the high road regardless. Hopefully, Hoiberg can become the Mayor of Chicago.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 4, 2015 -> 12:13 PM) The press release was all about Van Gundy, and their belief that Thibs put him up to it. If it wasn't for that, I firmly believe the press release would have been as vanilla as all of the rest of them have been. That very well may be true, and maybe Thibs did put him up to it. But it would seem that would be Van Gundy going rogue. One thing we do know, there was a lot of truth in what Van Gundy said. A lot more truth than what was coming out of Gar's mouth the day they let Thibs go.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 4, 2015 -> 11:13 AM) Yes there was a basketball reason. I posted about the problem with Thibs for years on this board. This wasnt "a few months ago", years ago I said that Thibs was a taskmaster coach and coaches like that rarely win the entire thing. Here are the posts: Feb 3, 2012 -> 12:19 PM I like Thibs, but I sometimes wonder if hes more Doug Collins than Phil Jackson. post Feb 3, 2012 -> 12:58 PM Doug Collins may have won 1, but I dont know if he would have won 6. Thats the point, task master coaches wear on guys and while they often can get more out of less to begin with, they can also eventually wear on people and that sometimes results in getting less out of more. And my statement was "sometimes I wonder" not exactly extremely critical. ----------------------------------- The bottom line is not once in Thibs career did he overachieve in the playoffs. Blame injuries, blame whatever, but after 5 years of underachieving when it counted, something had to give. The Cleveland series was a repeat of the first Bulls-Heat series. Bulls win game 1, the other team makes adjustments, the Bulls dont. Phil Jackson rode his players hard, and they practiced very hard. If Thibs is Collins and Hoiberg is Phil, now all we need is Michael and Scottie. Yes, he's a little more Zen-like, a lot more unconventional. Taj Gibson, one guy they are trying to pin all his injuries on Thibs, loved him. Rose loved him. I read something where Phil used to pick on Horace Grant on purpose because he was very popular with his teammates and they would rally around him. Horace hated it, but apparently it worked. There was no need for the JR press release. There was no need for GarPax to say anything more than they appreciate what Thibs did, it was time to move on. To me there are 2 factors. Obviously both sides hated each other. The second factor is, they can't beat LeBron. They won't be able to really shake up their core for a year or 2, so Hoiberg is their way to try something else. There is no need to leak the offense was horrible, because it wasn't. There was no need to leak the players wanted Thibs out. Cowley got a player BEFORE that came out and the player said GarPax spent the exit interview slamming Thibs. It will be interesting to see how Hoiberg transistions to the NBA. I do know one thing, if this is basically the roster, they won't beat Cleveland next year either.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 4, 2015 -> 09:28 AM) Dont worry, Avi will be assuming that role as soon as LaRoche leaves Sometimes, especially when he's hitting well, Avi looks really good in RF. But usually, he looks like the fans they used to have trying to catch balls shot out of a little canon for Comiskey Cash and United tickets on Friday nights.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 08:21 PM) Sounds like the five candidates for the ISU job are: TJ Otzelberger, ISU assistant Steve Prohm, Murray State head coach Brad Underwood, Stephen F. Austin head coach Jeff Hornacek, Phoenix Suns head coach Bryce Drew, Valparaiso head coach Did Hornacek say no, or was that BS? I was watching something on why Hoiberg would prefer the NBA. You don't have to recruit all the time, or worry about grades. You don't have to kiss boosters' asses. If a player gets in trouble, you aren't the guy getting the phone call at 3 AM. But, the trade off is some stability. Maybe a guy like Hornacek, who I believe came to Iowa State as a walk on, wouldn't mind going back realizing he could stay there a very long time, where in the NBA, who knows where he will be in a year.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 07:28 PM) and who was at fault?? It could be other teams were asking too much for their players. It could be guys they wanted to sign chose other teams. It could be they ran out of budget to fill holes. The It's either a team that should lead the division by 20 games by the end of May or should be rebuilding, is a figment of the chronic whiners' around here collective imaginations. Add the fire someone to show accountability crap, yet they don't want to hold the players, the people most accountable, accountable.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 07:14 PM) So Rick Hahn blew a $30 million payroll increase and did so while knowingly leaving gaps that could easily screw over his team's chances of being competitive? Wow, Rick Hahn is even worse at this than I could have imagined. In your effort to complain about everything, you are really making yourself look like a guy who knows nothing. Building a team to be what you want is not always possible in one offseason. Filling all your holes is not easily done. Name a team that has done it. Just one. You won't. You will come back with some other gripe.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 4, 2015 -> 06:53 AM) None of those win percentages mean squat unless you get to the Finals and then win. One appearance in the ECF. Thibbs is a good coach. I have no problem with him. But the Thibs army is amusing. I guess I am part of the Thibs army, but the real problem I had was not with the Bulls dismissing him, although I don't think they will be a better team because of it, it was how it was done. The hatchet job the day of the firing was over the top, but they, the guys who have been crying about leaks, have been leaking crap for months. Players in their exit interviews want to avoid Thibs, this must have come from Thibs. So and so leaked this and that, whether that is true or not we will never know. What we do know is Gar Forman's quotes during the press conference announcing the dismissal and the press conference naming the Mayor was full of lies. I hope the Mayor wins 75 next year, but if players keep getting injured, like Noah did before Thibs was around, who are they going to blame?

QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 4, 2015 -> 04:38 AM) How many rings has Thibbs brought to Chicago? He made the ECF once. Cry injuries but some of those may have been his fault with running guys into the ground. It is funny how the Bulls smear campaign organized months ago vs Thibs has been successful. Even thiugh he coached without his best player more than half the games during his tenure, he has a.top 5 all time winning percentage. His offense is old, horrible etc. yet somehow it was top 10 in efficiency with guys like Aaron Brooks and Kirk Hinrich getting decent minutes. He ran players into the ground, yet the only 2 with real heavy minutes were Pau, having his best season in years, and Jimmy Buckets, who somehow overcame being run into the ground last year and this to be voted the leagues most improved player. Maybe Thibs had to go, but there is no basketball reason that needed to happen. The hatchet job started stealthfully months ago, and kept on continuing. Just the other day i heard a media member slammimg Thibs for playing Noah 40 minutes a night on one leg. He played 40 minutes in 2 games this year. One was OT, one was double OT. The total lack of class the Bulls organization showed will bite them in the ass one day. I hope the Mayor succeeds, but I doubt he will squeeze more wins out of the team if the players reamin the same and Rose plays less than half the time.

The coaching staff must have said something magical.

Nice to have the big boy back.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 07:44 PM) So is melkys That wasn't Melky's fault, that pitch was not a strike.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 06:50 PM) i was a major backer of Hahn and his moves. but the rebuild just stopped. i know b/c i ranted on this. whether i was right in the ranks is not the point, the point is, the rebuild was not finished. they ASSUMED that what they did, was enuf. having 1 player or 2 underperforming is not the reason this whole team is floundering. the mystery is what is causing this slump? There were other things they wanted to do that couldn't get done.

Schueler was still in the payroll a year or two after he quit.and while KW worked under him when he was the GM, Schueler reccommended Dan Evans to JR for the job. The fascinating thing about this whole thing was everyone was stroking Rick's cock for the moves this winter. Now that the team has struggled, those were stupid moves that KW made.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 03:48 PM) If you can't have at least 50% of your offense be homegrown, the odds start to get very long unless you are a starting pitching assembly line. So that means the Twins should be the overwhelming favorites to win the division since they are the only team in the divison with 50% of their offense homegrown. Wrong.

It would be nice to have Abreu back, but it certainly didn't sound too promising last night.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 03:12 PM) I just wanna highlight one...Jeff Samardzija's advanced stats have dramatically dropped off this season. His strikeout rate is the worst of his career. His ground ball rate is the worst of his career. His line drive rate is the worst of his career. Right now Jeff Samardzija is a lot closer to a 4.68 ERA pitcher than he is to being a top of the rotation pitcher. Adam Eaton is better than that and is slowly improving, but he doesn't have to be the player he was last year either. And yes, Melky's advanced stats suggest he's due for some improvement, but for a player whose steroid abuse was absolutely key in his switch from "non-tendered after being paid $3 million" to "quality player" I'll believe it when I see it. Before last night, the only season as a starter his FIP was any lower was last year.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 02:49 PM) Can I undo the mistakes that were done last offseason? Because otherwise I have to do this with no money. Since I can't do that and give this roster a chance to actually grow, clear out the garbage. Anyone who can be moved from this roster, I'm ok moving. Everyone other than Rodon. I mean that. Just start over. We're going to lose for several years anyway, we may as well do so while being cheap and while building up something that can compete in the future. The other thing, your total access to White Sox finances. Yeah they should go cheap and totally rebuild. Lose 95 games a year. I know one guy who will be around complaining the entire ride.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 02:39 PM) So Kenny Williams is the one in charge and you think he's the most important one to remove to solve this roster construction debacle. I'm ok with that. This guy should get fired, that guy should get fired. The Red Sox fired their pitching coach so at least their fans got that. Since you think everyone should be fired, who should be hired? What players should be acquired? Since you seem to always think you have all the answers, why don't you let us in on a few?

Yeah, I think you just have to hope he can find it again. This could have been a spot for Surkhamp. He was awesome there for a while, but batting practice the last 4 weeks for the most part.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 09:40 PM) Kim Kardashian West ✔@KimKardashian Can't wait til my website is active! I'm gonna do live video streaming so every time someone talks s*** I can go blast the f--k outta them Kim Kardashian should at least be a mod here. That would at least be more entertaining than this season so far. Your giddiness about White Sox losses is annoying enough. Kim Kardashian tweets in a gamethread is ridiculous.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 09:37 PM) Gallo is pretty fun to watch. Psyched to see his ABs. If he plays against Sale and holds his own, it would really be imoressive. I think it isn't going to go so well for him tomorrow

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 09:37 PM) I make Noesi eat this inning no matter what happens rest of the way. I agree. I don't know what happened to Jennings. He was cruising earlier this year, but the wheels have fallen off. Noesi better show he can pitch out of the bullpen or he is going to have to get a real job.