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Jindal drops out. http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-elect...ampaign-n465236

At first they were too scared of the press being too tough on them in the debates," said Obama per the pool report. "Now they are scared of three year old orphans. That doesn't seem so tough to me."

'Thorough' refugee screening puts Canada at low security risk, says former refugee official The US process is similar to what he describes for the Canadian process

A government agency to proselytize Christianity around the world. LOL.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 17, 2015 -> 04:09 PM) "There are easier ways to come into the country so let's ignore this one" is also a pretty bad idea from a security perspective. Assuming that people X, Y and Z are minimal risks is a pretty bad idea from a security perspective. No, it's a matter of "let's not pretend that nothing is being done and refugees come here freely with no checks." Refugees go through a more stringent check than any other entrant. They pose much less of a risk than other groups. It's already a years-long humanitarian crisis. Putting it on hold for bad reasons will cause real harm. edit: We don't have a bunch of governors calling for a travel ban on all people traveling with French and Belgian passports.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 17, 2015 -> 03:50 PM) What the heck are you basing your total trust on? Have you been reading the vetting process manual? We don't know the details at all. And i'm saying there are complete unknowns that NO program could find. I think that the State Department is competent enough to spot ISIS agents. If they aren't, it's a moot point because they can flood in through so many points that being concerned about a relatively tiny number of refugees in a flood of foreigners regularly coming into the country is silly. Always reacting to the last tactic actually seems like a really bad idea from a security perspective. The people who carried out the attacks in France were mainly French and Belgian nationals. Why shouldn't we focus on them instead of categorically denying refugees flying Islamic terrorism? Making those security changes didn't come at the cost of denying thousands of refugees fleeing civil war and terrorism.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 17, 2015 -> 03:43 PM) Are you kidding me? We should accept an increased risk of harm so other countries know we're there with them? Pretty sure 9/11 was a good starting point to the "hey they hate us and want to kill us to!" club. We started the damn club. Are you willing to accept the increased risk of harm of allowing any foreigners into the country? What makes Syrian refugees more of a threat than French and Belgian nationals?

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 17, 2015 -> 03:40 PM) I'm seeing bunch of PR language there and not much substance. Seems to me the process is essentially the same - take down information, vet it on the databases we have, do interviews, and that's that. Again, no stopping anyone that doesn't have much of a record to check back at home (how good can that be in a country in the midst of a civil war for 4-5 years now?) and who is now on a mission to come here and either recruit or commit acts on his/her own. Your entire evaluation of the State Department's refugee review process is based on a few sentences in an article from Time. Your understanding may not be comprehensive. Focusing on Syrian refugees fleeing ISIS when the attackers were a bunch of Europeans is pretty dumb and xenophobic. Hardening airplane cockpits didn't come at the cost of human suffering. The rest is largely security theater that has been exposed multiple times mainly due to luck/attacker incompetence (shoe and underwear bombers).

You don't actually need to do any of that i.e. Boston Marathon bombings, Ft. Hood shooting. Nobody needs to go to Syria at any point or even leave the US, and more likely they'll self-recruit than be recruited by ISIS (or various other radical groups). You don't need to be very highly trained in using a gun when you're shooting up a crowded theater with no regard for your own life, either (e.g. multiple domestic mass shooters/terrorists at black churches, movie theaters, college campuses).

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 17, 2015 -> 03:33 PM) To build a bomb and detonation device? I would assume you needed SOME training, not to mention a ridiculous amount of doctrine brainwashing that makes you adhere to Sharia law. Building a bomb and blowing things up isn't really related to Sharia law. We've had plenty of home-grown bombers, as well. Unibomber, OKC, Boston Marathon, that failed attempt in Times Square, Atlanta Olympics. You don't need some sort of special ISIS training to build a bomb. Fuel + ignition source = boom. Building it to reliably detonate is a challenge, but it's something anyone with some chemistry and electronics text books could figure out if they wanted.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Nov 17, 2015 -> 03:22 PM) I thought none of the Paris terrorists were refugees? Has that changed? A Syrian refugee passport was found near one of the stadium bombers, but last I heard there were still questions as to its authenticity, if it was the bomber's, and if the bomber really did come in through the refugee path.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 17, 2015 -> 03:21 PM) So it would be easier and quicker to completely find, turn and groom a US or Canadian soldier? Easier to find someone in the US already or with easy access to the US than trying to get in through the refugee process. Plus, you don't really need "trained soldiers" to do exactly what they did in France.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 17, 2015 -> 03:17 PM) http://time.com/4116619/syrian-refugees-screening-process/ Thanks for supporting my point? I think you're thinking of the Eurozone screening process, which is essentially just checking if there's an international warrant out for them. The US process is substantially different from that.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 17, 2015 -> 03:16 PM) Student and work can be verified though. Random refugee cannot. Is there ever 100% certainty? Of course not. But again, if there's a risk, why chance it? What's the "real human harm" when half are denied anyway, and the other half have to wait 1-2 years? It's not some immediate "let me in or I die tomorrow" situation. The Belgian nationals came freely into France. There is always risk, and you decide what is acceptable based on analysis. The risk of ISIS coming into the US as a refugee seems to be very minimal, certainly much less likely than any number of other avenues. There's risk of us continuing to allow French and Belgian citizens into the country, but we don't hear calls for stopping that. The real human harm is that there are millions of displaced people. The US should be taking in more than we currently are, but even the numbers we do take in help. And for some, it is immediate or at least near-term because they would have started their vetting process 18-24+ months ago.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 17, 2015 -> 03:13 PM) That screening process sounds like a bunch of nonsense. Basically check a list we already have to see if they're on it, that's it. We have no way of knowing if they're already brainwashed pyschos on a mission. That's the Eurozone process, not the US process.

We should ELIMINATE Sweden

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 17, 2015 -> 03:06 PM) Just because it's easier another way doesn't mean there isn't an increased risk. Why expose ourselves even more to people who are less likely to be known/tracked? I like how someone on the news this morning was trying to calm people by citing to the fact that background checks are done to these people before they come to the country. Yeah, i'm sure a Syrian refugee has an extensive history that's been recorded and is easily obtainable. I'm sure someone from the State Dept can just call up Syrian's State Dept. for paperwork. The risk is minuscule and the real human harm of turning refugees away is large. If you have zero trust in the State Department's ability to vet someone, you should be advocating for completely sealed borders. No student, work or travel visas for anyone. There's obviously risk from French and Belgians, anyway.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 17, 2015 -> 02:55 PM) Much much easier than being allowed to send in a trained solider? Pray tell The screening process is more rigorous than any other way to get into this country. The attacks in France were carried out mainly by French and Belgian nationals. Those guys could have flown to the US on their legitimate French and Belgian passports no problem. There's also always the issue of home-grown terrorists in this country. Now why would they try to go through the 18-24 month process with in-depth screening and security checks and a pretty small shot of admission anyway (we've only taken several thousand out of millions of refugees to this point) when there are much, much easier ways to get in?

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 17, 2015 -> 02:30 PM) Can't believe Black Lives Matter is still relevant. After they started blocking highways, causing disturbances and making Bernie Sanders apologize for saying "all lives matter" I though that would have just about done them in. Media loves controversy and racial injustice. "All lives matter" is a pretty callous response. Would you go to a breast cancer awareness event and start shouting "ALL CANCERS MATTER!"? "Black Lives Matter" isn't saying only black lives matter or that black lives matter more. It's more or less "black lives matter, too" because in their eyes, that isn't always how it's viewed.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 17, 2015 -> 02:39 PM) Only takes one. Ok but that doesn't really address the point at all! That one can much more easily come from any number of countries that the US routinely issues travel visas for. If ISIS wants to do something in the US, there are much, much easier ways of going about it than trying to get in as a refugee.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 16, 2015 -> 12:28 PM) Which, sadly, makes sense, at least temporarily. Need to know how reliable the net can actually be. It feels awful because most of these refugees are not only innocents, they are also trying to run from the very violence causing the action. But it seems pretty necessary at this point. Gov. Jay Inslee: 'Washington welcomes those seeking refuge' Almost all of the attackers were European nationals who could easily have gone almost anywhere in the world, including the US, on a tourist visa. Actual refugees face much, much more intense screening and scrutiny to come here.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 17, 2015 -> 01:06 PM) Yup, those protesters were in the wrong, absolutely should be called out. That said, it doesn't mean the movement itself is wrong. Hopefully they learn a lesson and any future protests are smarter, classier, and more meaningful.

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