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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 08:44 PM) I didn't like giving up #16...but that was part of an actual trade. This is just for cash...not extra money in the cap or to help you ensure you have "max" space...just cash. 2nd rounder will likely not emerge..but we are clearly rebuilding so keep the pick. I didn't want to give up #16...but at least then it was part of an actual deal. We all know my preference was to build around Jimmy because I think everyone on the tank bandwagon is delusional and unrealistic on how to build a contender, especially given the type of offers out there for Jimmy. That said, the Wolves offer (even giving up the 16th pick)...was far better then the supposed Boston offer. Which was?

QUOTE (Tony @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 08:38 PM) When a franchise like the Warriors want to pay you 3.5 million for a 2nd round pick....maybe he's a keeper? Exactly. That should have been your first sign. They probably wouldn't tell us until after we agreed and we were probably too stupid to figure it out.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 08:32 PM) Warriors bought the pick for $3.5 million Shouldn't surprise anyone...he fits their mold exactly. God forbid we try to emulate someone who knows what the f*** they are doing.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 08:30 PM) Any free agents from Cuba? Yeah, no s***.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 08:27 PM) Woj says "A lot of cash" What use do we even have for cash?

QUOTE (Tony @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 08:26 PM) What was your favorite moment in the Jordan Bell era? Bulls traded it for cash... f***ing kidding me?

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 08:05 PM) Anyone got a guess for 38? Mine is Rabb. Decent talent, but no real place in the modern NBA. At least they got something right

Put me down for Jordan Bell

QUOTE (Tony @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 07:43 PM) And I know this doesn't matter much, but when you look at the deal and the situation as a whole, you have to say "This was an absolute no-brainer type deal for the T'Wolves" That's not usually a situation where you want to be on the other side of that. Which is why you tell them to go f*** themselves when they asked for the #16 pick. You had to, at the very least, make them walk away from Jimmy Butler over that pick.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 07:31 PM) It's hard for me to comment on that because I was never a big Dunn fan. I wouldn't take him over Smith or Monk, but I'm just some douchebag watching a few of his college games and some YouTube clips while drinking imperial stouts. At the very least you have solid taste in beer.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 07:14 PM) The White Sox extended Mark Teahen, lol. He did have one FOUR month extended stretch of really good play his entire career. Of course, that was with another team. Avi never put up even 3 consecutive solid months of play. And he wasn't hitting any power at all in 2012 with the Tigers, just had a relatively high batting average for a rookie who basically came out of AA that year and had the "young Miggy" comps already. And did we ever talk about extending Beckham and Viciedo? If we followed the Anderson plan, that would have left the Sox eating two contracts. My personal preference is a 2 or at least 1 1/2 year track record of proven results. I was going to mention Beckham, but I am unaware if we actually did make those overtures and he resisted, or what. I am assuming it would have come out by now if he did.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 07:13 PM) I really don't get the first line as comparing baseball trades/rebuilds to basketball ones is just a completely different thing. And we have no idea if they f***ed this up. People wanted the world for Butler and most teams just weren't going to give that up. Boston reportedly wasn't going to trade the 3 pick or the Nets pick next year for him and it doesn't appear there were other teams out there willing to throw a kings ransom for him. They got a guy who has a chance to be really good in Lavine, Lauri despite this board not liking him has a chance to be a pretty good offensive NBA player and maybe they're awful enough this year where they get a top 5 pick next year and get a franchise player. Obviously everything I just said could go the complete opposite way and that's the beauty of a rebuild. This franchise wasn't going anywhere with Butler so to me there's nothing to lose even though of course I would have liked to get more in a deal for him. Hmm, seems like it's pretty simple to me, Row. This isn't the NFL. You trade what you have of value now for something that potentially has more value in the future. Otherwise, it's not worth doing. You seem to be arguing that the fact they will now be worse than before is somehow value that can be attributable to this trade?

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 07:10 PM) NBA rebuilds don't reward hitting the ground running. Some years there are only one or two stars and they usually go one or two. To tank is to do everything you can to get enough ping pong balls to land the number one or two pick. The problem is, get too good without getting that transcendent star and you lose the opportunity to break through the NBA hell barrier. It sucks it has to be that way, but the game is the game. You don't have to get assets that help you this year to get off on the right foot on a rebuild. Maybe a (or some) future first round picks?

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 06:49 PM) Here's my thoughts since everyone is going to disagree with me: I hated giving up the 16 pick and if we would have made this same deal last year we probably would have had a top 3 pick in this draft instead of possibly getting one next year. As is, I'm happy they picked a lane even though they didn't get full value for Jimmy. Trading him isn't going to hurt this franchise that was going no where with him anyway. I mean, as a fan of the White Sox, you don't see the benefit of getting off on the right foot with a rebuild? This was their only opportunity, and they seem to have completely blown it...

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 06:37 PM) The White Sox have a history of offering extensions to players as early as possible. They have done it over and over and over again. Anderson, Sale, Jones, Santos, Quintana and so on. That history absolutely supports it. The White Sox value cost certainty for guys they see as cornerstones, and all you had to do was to listen to five seconds of a broadcast after they brought Garcia here to know what they thought of his potential. The rest is just revisionist history. Ok, so you have Anderson, and then you have like 5 pitchers, who had a fairly lengthy history of success with the Club, certainly longer than that of Avi. I don't doubt that they liked what they had in Avi...but there is just nothing to suggest that this was ever even a thought in anyone's mind. It isn't worth arguing about anymore to me I guess...but the point stands...I really think Avi could be extended for 5-6 years at closer to 60% of the nine figure estimate you made earlier. To me, that makes it a much more interesting equation than one wherein you just trade the guy immediately for anything you can get simply because you only have two years of control left after this season.

Nice to see Matt bounce back with a nice night too...the thing about he and even Avi...every time they seem to struggle, they have bounced back nicely.

QUOTE (Tony @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 06:06 PM) Jose Quintana's last four starts: 24 IP, 19 H, 6 R/ER, 8 BB, 24 K. That's a 2.25 ERA. More importantly, did he go at hitters today or was he pitching without conviction and confidence?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 05:48 PM) They traded Jake Peavy for him, and handed him RF right off of the bat. Jake Peavy was pretty much on the decline by this time, and at the time they traded him, they were coming off the second straight month in which they had the worst record in baseball. Why the hell wouldn't they hand him right field? That still doesn't support any notion that he should have been offered an extension. The history you are referring to does not at all support the assertion you are trying to make.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 05:41 PM) I just don't understand how the bulls had to give up 16. It'd be one thing if it was 5 and you got foxx, but 7 is a complete crap shoot in this draft. It is ridiculous to think the Wolves would have walked away from Jimmy Butler over the #16th pick.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 05:08 PM) Who had Avi hitting .343 on June 22? Not Joe Cool Man!

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 04:53 PM) If Yolmer can keep up playing the way he has been, the Sox would do well to move Moncada off of 2B. MOVE HIM TO CENTER

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 04:41 PM) They would have the first year when they got him, just like they do with all of the young players they want to build around. I just don't think he showed anywhere near enough to justify that...I mean he wasn't "their" guy either. He wasn't their draft pick like Timmy, and many of their other early signings were starting pitchers who had shown years of good performance. Avi never really had more than a few months of good play at any give time.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 05:02 PM) Lavine was starting to play real well before he got hurt so I'm happy to get him. Would have been real happy with this if we didn't include the 16. Oh well, at least they're trying something. Are we sure they did?

Can they get Vlade to give them #5 for #7 and 16?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 02:00 PM) The Sox love getting their core young guys locked into long term deals as early as possible. I would put the odds near 100% that the Sox talked to him about it very early on in his time here. I mean I've obviously witnessed that, but you usually have to at least show them something.