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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 31, 2017 -> 10:10 AM) Arte Moreno isn't much for selling. Wasn't this the entire point of your post? That Trout's injury would now lead to them selling?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 31, 2017 -> 08:12 AM) It's not like WV, Kentucky and Tennessee were going into the Clinton column even if he murdered the mayors of Charleston, Frankfort and Nashville.....and it's also NOT like pulling out of Paris would lose those states for Trump in 2020. Hillary and Obama basically declared war on coal/carbon emissions. Honestly, it is just the way the industry is going anyways. While it is hard to sort of deconstruct all the different factors that have led to the massive transition to solar and wind resources (climate change, gov't subsidies, economics, abundant natural resources, etc), the transition requires certain complimentary fossil fuel resources until the time that storage is economic on a utility scale. The nature of solar and wind, both in the times when they are most abundant, and in the fact that they are intermittent resources, requires complimentary resources which can ramp up and down quickly or come online quickly. I am not engineer, nor expert in coal technology, but the current technology limits natural gas resources as the resources with these attributes. Therefore, since more and more solar and wind is coming online, utilities and regional transmission operators have sought to balance this influx of renewables with fast-performing natural gas resources, not coal. There are a LOT of things going against coal right now, other than just politics. It's just becoming an outdated technology.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ May 31, 2017 -> 07:51 AM) Best reported one I think we saw was headlined by Martes and Tucker but the Sox wanted Musgrove. We don't know how many were actually real though. If the Astros genuinely offered their top two prospects, and Hahn stated that no one was very close, I find that hard to believe.

Some of you guys are really frustrating. You aren't really suggesting a realistic course of action moving forward. Just gloating that impatience should have been rewarded now that Quintana has underperformed. I think Hahn deserves the benefit of the doubt, considering he actually had all the information, while the rest of us were the beneficiaries of leaks and other forms of inaccurate information, and that while by no means optimal, our current position is the position we find ourselves in. Rather than continue to gloat, what is the best path forward?

QUOTE (Baron @ May 31, 2017 -> 07:25 AM) The problem is what does he mean by not acceptable? Not a complete overpay or fair market value? I have a feeling and it's been said before that he wanted a complete overpay. Look at the free agent list next offseason. You think that's going to change ? We can never know for sure. All we know is the rumors that leaked out, and many of those involved teams saying their top prospects were off the table. Doubtful that those offers, if indeed those were the best offers, wouldn't be available down the road.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 31, 2017 -> 07:12 AM) Meanwhile, the EU and China have agreed on a climate deal. https://twitter.com/FT/status/869914490594316288 The US is going to be left behind on a lot of emerging technology and manufacturing because we need to do everything we can to save 50k coal jobs for some reason. The crazy thing is that corporate America has already bought into sustainability. The wheels are in motion for this to be such a massive and successful transition, and yet he seems to think the opposite is true - that it is in the best interests of America economically to resist and cling to these bulls*** subsidies of the past. The hard part has already been accomplished, the momentum is there - and this asshole is trying to retard that momentum for reasons unbeknownst to anyone.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 31, 2017 -> 07:03 AM) I'm arguing that many posters here didn't fully acknowledge the risk of holding onto Quintana. The idea of keeping him for "when we are good again" was lunacy from the get-go IMO. Coming into the season, if you believed we couldn't realistically compete over the course of the next three seasons, then Jose Quintana was effectively worth whatever you projected his 2020 WAR to be us. Let's say that's 4 WAR. For another team he could have effectively been worth 15 to 18 WAR over that same period. The opportunity cost of keeping him and not receiving value from another team for his 2017 to 2019 production would have always been tremendous. Whether Hahn received an acceptable offer during the offseason, we'll never know or be able to prove. The problem I have is fair value is typically defined as what the market bares (assuming no market constraints). And given how this was one of the worst markets for starting pitching in recent history, it's hard for me to believe that not a single team was willing to pony up and pay fair value. Therefore, I'm willing to speculate that Hahn may have over-valued Quintana or under-estimated the risk of holding. I said in the game thread last night, but if teams were skeptical of Quintana being a legit TOR starter before, this bad stretch where his elite command has gone to s*** isn't going to help matters. Yeah, this is entirely speculation and isn't a rabbit hole worth going down. What you aren't addressing is the fact that Quintana's performance over the first two months of the season doesn't taint the ability to move the guy over the next year or even two years. I get that his value theoretically decreases as his time under contract decreases, but not at a rate that exceeds the value lost by either trading him now or trading him coming into the season for a subpar offer.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 31, 2017 -> 06:35 AM) It's impossible to have a legitimate opinion on whether or not to trade Quintana without knowing the offers on the table -- both during this past offseason and during the coming trade deadline season. That said, we DO need more prospects. We have a lot of good ones now, but not nearly enough to account for attrition. As much I love Quintana, we're not to the point where we can start looking at current stars and realistically expecting them to be stars for our next contender. We very much still need to be in asset collection mode if we're going to do this the right way. I can tell you this though, at least based on past history: The market will not account for the amount of decreased service time nearly as much as it might account for a drop-off in performance. Meaning, if you have to hold him while he recoups his value, so be it. You don't move him during this deadline simply because you feel the need to cash in all of your chips. Hold him and move him next offseason or next deadline, or whenever his performance dictates offers that are more palatable.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 31, 2017 -> 05:53 AM) Great post. The "worst case scenario we'll just keep him for when we're good" argument never made sense with Quintana. And what really sucks is out projected prospect haul at the deadline is greatly reduced. Robertson is the only guy who seems likely to land a top 100 prospect at this point. If Nate Jones can get healthy soon he could as well. The rest of our trade assets, Holland, Gonzalez, Swarzak, Frazier, & Melky, are going to land back-end org top 10 guys and lottery tickets. Obviously you take what you can for those guys, but it's not going to move the needle like a Quintana trade. So what are you arguing for?

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 31, 2017 -> 05:28 AM) I wonder what Qs ERA is with each catcher. Seems like Smith calls a lot of curveballs last night, and they were getting crushed I'm so sick of Kevan Smith.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 30, 2017 -> 04:11 PM) This really sucks for Anaheim and for us. This has to put them into sell mode for sure. I seriously hope they didn't think they actually had any kind of chance.

For f***s sakes people, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU CHEER FOR. Your cheering has no impact on WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS. Cheer for the team to win! If they do, great! If they don't, great!

QUOTE (fathom @ May 30, 2017 -> 08:37 PM) Nice to see the young hitters get back on track (Anderson, Garcias) My opinion has really changed on both. Couldn't agree more. And Kevan Smith is worthless as f***.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 30, 2017 -> 08:11 PM) Hard to tell from the angle. Just seemed like someone who has a horrible hit tool, which is what has been advertised But imagine how good he can be if he can only learn to hit!

QUOTE (fathom @ May 30, 2017 -> 06:59 PM) Wtf I'm seriously crying right now.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 30, 2017 -> 06:48 PM) I shockingly feel better about the future of the offense than pitching Our pitching will be fine. And if you don't believe it will, we best be holding on to Q anyways. It's just a shame that we've now got a major piece we were planning on cashing in lose its value. Going to have to make that up somewhere else.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 30, 2017 -> 06:31 PM) Q's problem is for some reason he isn't trusting his stuff. Nibble, nibble, nibble. Tries to be too fine, is forced to lay it right in there and there it hoes. Again. He will figure it out. Soon I hope. He's done this his entire career.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ May 30, 2017 -> 01:43 PM) The entire thing was incredibly juvenile but Strickland literally being carried off the field and fighting his teammates every step of the way because his ass was just that red is up there with Ventura v Ryan in terms of on-field embarrassment. He's an incredible dumbass who's been licking his lips for three years, it's pathetic. It didn't stop me from wanting to see him kick Harper's ass.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 30, 2017 -> 12:18 PM) That is the correct pronunciation, according to the guy who created GIFs. He came on the score last year with Goff and Spiegel and set them straight http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/22/tech/web/pronounce-gif/ Yeah, makes sense to me. It was honestly one of the first times I had ever heard that (acronymn ?) pronounced, so I took note of it.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ May 30, 2017 -> 11:56 AM) What did he say? He says JIF, like the peanut butter.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 30, 2017 -> 09:52 AM) Any of you cyclists use a power meter? I just received my powertap pedals and need some help figuring out how to train with them. I know the first step is to figure out my FTP and set up my zones. But then what? Are there any recommended workouts to use? Marko, you need to get a Peloton...there is a large group of people who live for this stuff. See if you can join the Facebook Peloton Road Riders. I suspect there is all kinds of stuff in there that will be helpful.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 30, 2017 -> 08:12 AM) I would still trade Avi for Schwarber so fast it would make your head spin. Kyle Schwarber is more than a year and a half younger than Avisail Garcia and his talent is far superior to that of Avisail Garcia. The hit tool is superior, if not by much, but his power is far superior and Schwarber could legitimately be a 40 homer threat in the coming years. In 475 plate appearances at the major league level, Schwarber has hit 23 homers. It took Garcia almost twice that long to reach the same number. I'm incredibly happy to be wrong about Avisail thus far, but there's no question, given the choice, I'd take Schwarber over him any day. Considering what I am seeing from Davidson, I really don't know that I agree with you.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 29, 2017 -> 11:28 PM) The point is that just because Engel's approach looks unorthodox and like he would need to have lightning fast hands to get from starting position to the hitting plane...it doesn't mean it can't work. That's the point about Julio Franco, nobody in God's green earth would teach someone to hit that way, with that heavy a bat (Moncada's even got some detractors worrying about "bat wrap")...but it worked FOR HIM. If they tried to change him, it probably would have messed him up completely. Every hitter needs their own unique timing mechanism, etc. Oh. Well you are in the wrong thread. Hell, you are in the wrong subforum.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 29, 2017 -> 07:29 PM) Hate to disappoint caulfield, but listening to all this is interesting. White privilege doesn't disappear just because you don't personally believe it helped you - that's not really how any of this works - HOWEVER, part of what I'm working on right now is the interplay between what's true and what's an effective tactic. The two rarely intertwine, and I think this is one of those cases. Bringing over white folks who don't believe they have privilege to "my side" requires much more sophisticated tactics than the ones I've been using. It's difficult for people who've experienced personal struggles to recognize they still have certain privileges because of their skin color that others don't. But honestly, that's pretty understandable. So yeah. I'm working on processing it all. We'll see what I end up with. And then once you have them on "your side," what will you do?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 29, 2017 -> 06:49 PM) What was the weight of bat Julio Franco used? Something insane like 44 or 46 ounces. And started it pointed straight at the pitcher....and hit until well into mid 40's, to boot. Never stopped hitting. Caulfield, what the f***?