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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 08:41 AM) Because there's no point in simply releasing a guy. Even through all of his struggles, I've never heard anything bad about him and he's seemingly been nothing but a class act. Until the need the roster space, they are going to hang on to him. Its not like the org has an abundance of OF prospects trying to push up through the system. Mitchell may be moved off the 40 man roster in the off-season, but until that point, there is no real good reason to make a move.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 01:20 PM) Months, at least. He still has to declare residency, get residency, and be cleared by OFAC. I would expect about the same time Abreu signed last season.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 01:37 PM) I just want to point this post out again. Last 5 starts - 35.1 IP, 24 H, 9 BB, 21 K, 2 HR, 1.51 ERA, 0.93 WHIP, .188/.262/.297/.559, .210 BABIP There is a lot of noise in those numbers, but there's also a lot of luck. However, worth mentioning far more - and an alarming number - are the LD%/GB%/FB% (respectively listed below) numbers in those starts NYY - 8.3%/50.0%/41.7% SD - 18.2%/54.5%/27.3% LAD - 12.5%/50.0%/37.5% DET - 23.8%/19.0%/57.1% SF - 23.8%/23.8%/52.4% He has been giving up a ton of line drives and fly balls. That doesn't need an eye test to tell you that those will turn into a blow up sooner rather than later. The first 3, yes, it's completely understandable why he pitched so well, especially against New York, but Detroit and San Francisco hit him around pretty good and he needs to start throwing more ground balls. So does the FB% give us any indication how the ball was hit? Are these pop-ups or deep flys? Is it possible that hitters have tried to make and adjustment to him throwing a lot of GB's and are making an attempt to get under the ball only to weakly pop-out? Just curious as I really don't know what the entire context is behind those numbers, they don't seem to paint the whole picture.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 01:30 PM) Keep in mind, decent chance you'd get a 2nd round pick. It is surely a possibility, but odds are a team with a top 10 pick are not going shell out in excess of $20/M for a player nor will he necessarily choose to sign there. I think that the worst you can get under the new CBA is a comp pick at the end of the first round before the competitive balance round, while the team still gives up their second round pick, the team that loses the player gets a supplemental first round pick. The Mets lost their pick for signing Granderson, and that would have netted the Yankees the #30 pick, but they lost that pick for signing Ellsbury.

I think we will know a lot by who he selects as his representation. There are a couple that the Sox just not had good success in making deals with in the past. But if it is Torres or Praver, the Sox have as good a shot as anyone else.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 12:35 PM) Indeed. But changes won't happen until the next CBA. Or until they implement the international draft.

I think the curtain was pulled back on the Rodon/Boras strategy when Rodon was interviewed the day after he was drafted: ""I'm not really sure," Rodon said. "That's later down the road, in a month or so. We'll figure that out. I'm still trying to enjoy this moment, spend time with my family. Enjoy the whole thing and let it sink in."" I don't really think they are going to be even serious about signing until a week before the deadline.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 04:55 PM) The White Sox are not getting David Price. He would never re-sign here. You can close this thread. Who cares? For that asking price it is worth having a season and a half of David Price plus the first round pick that you will receive when he reaches FA. The market for Price is down given that teams are becoming ultra protective of their prospects. That is the reason that Price was not traded in the offseason, no one would give up what the Rays wanted so they are going to try and increase their leverage at the trade deadline this season. Every start he makes for TB lessens his value as thats one more start his new team is not getting from him.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 11:08 AM) http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2014/#list=int MLB has a top 30 rankings out the July 2 prospects. The guys that have been linked to the Sox are ranked as follows. Ynoa - 17 Nunez - 26 Alfaro - 28 According to those reports, the Twins are now the favorites (which is usually code for has a deal in place) with Ynoa.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 10:57 AM) Price is a free agent in 2016, right? Yes

Daniel Bard was just released by the Rangers, wonder if he might be the next man in for bullpen bingo.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jun 17, 2014 -> 10:27 AM) Dickerson would be a huge get IMO. He'd probably require a pretty solid package, perhaps just as much as Joc....Maybe a bit more realistic, if the Sox see themselves competing soon, could be Gerardo Parra or Seth Smith. Smith is getting up there in age but if the plan is to compete next year I think he's the type of guy who would look real nice in the lineup. No thanks on Smith, he is a guy having a career season and is bound to come back down so you dont want to buy at peak value.

A Pederson trade will have to be for pitching. Haren and Beckett will be FA's at the end of the season and their closest prospect is questionable at this point if he can make the transition. They have an abundance of depth offensively but will have some holes in the rotation. I dont see a deal happening without it involving Quintana unless Danks turns into Cy Young for the next six weeks.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 16, 2014 -> 08:30 AM) But the competition that they're up against is poor and inconsistent geographically, making the "results" close to meaningless (aside from "he was mowing kids down" vs. "he was getting lit up"). Further, a typical HS pitcher can't do most of the things he needs to do to succeed at the ML level; they're guessing that he can develop those things over the next 4-5 years and turn into a ML pitcher. Typical college arms have one or two things to work on and they'll be given a shot in a year or two. EDIT: To clarify, I'm not against Adams or his ilk being ranked highly in general, just against the idea that he ranks ABOVE hitters we have in AAA who are struggling a bit for the first time. Everything I've read about Adams is that he has the ceiling of a very good starting pitcher, top of the rotation-ish but not a league "ace." Matt Davidson, specifically, has the ceiling of being a similarly ranked third baseman, and he's so so much closer to that than any HS kid that's got 4-5 years of development risks ahead. Thats not especially true anymore. With the amount of showcases and travel teams where top players are matching up against each other, scouts get the opportunity to see these kids play against teams of other top players. PG is headquartered here and they have showcases throughout the year and a couple big ones where they get the top players from all over the US.

This is also his first full season back from TJ and the breaking ball is usually the last thing to rebound. He is definitely a guy to keep an eye on if he can get back to where he was. Comparing his AAA numbers from the last two seasons: 2013 - 11 starts - 2.78 ERA 71.1 IP 56H 23R 22ER 4 HR 20 BB 54 K .5 HR/9 2.5 BB/9 6.8 K/9 .257 BABIP 3.71 FIP 2014 - 10 starts - 4.88 ERA 66.1 IP 83H 41R 36ER 8 HR 16 BB 77K 1.1 HR/9 2.2 BB/9 10.4 K/9 .397 BABIP 3.60 FIP An almost .400 BABIP is really crushing him this season, but his K rate is way up and his walks are down, so it appears that his control is returning. Before TJ surgery he was a top 5 prospect in the Giants org.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 17, 2014 -> 08:58 AM) Michael Taylor costs virtually nothing unless you're upset about losing Jake Sanchez (you shouldn't be). Carbonell didn't cost much, but the scouting reports from Cuba are getting better and better - hence $36 million for Cespedes and $42 million for Puig and $68 mill for Abreu - and he still got $3.5 mill. That tells me he's probably as good as someone like Paulo Orlando. I don't have a problem with bringing in Taylor, I think that this guy has more upside and his floor is probably a better fit for the Sox than Taylors. I think Carbonell has a better chance in developing into an asset for the Sox than Taylor does at this point, and thats what rebuilding teams need to do is collect assets. Sure he may never be more than a fourth OF, but outside of his signing bonus, his salary is pretty reasonable. Maybe you get a Jarrod Dyson type of player out of him, that would be worth the relatively low risk of signing him for that amount.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 16, 2014 -> 04:14 PM) Carbonell didn't seem interesting at all, but I would have thrown a million at him. I was interested, I think he can at least be a fourth OF/defensive replacement, handle all three OF positions, and has good speed on the bases. Perfect guy to bring into run for Tank in the 7th inning next season. He has the upside of starter if he can make contact at a decent rate. I would think he would make more sense to the org than Micheal Taylor.

QUOTE (Ozzie Ball @ Jun 16, 2014 -> 04:44 PM) From Kiley: http://t.co/Lk1A7FXoCm Same as we've heard for a while now. Sox linked to Ynoa but nothing really concrete. The interesting part of that quote is that is says the Padres have the largest pool of money that is not already committed. The Sox have the third largest pool, so that would indicate to me that they have some deals in place.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 16, 2014 -> 10:49 AM) Lottery tickets are all well and good, but what it says about this rebuild is it's going to take longer than planned. This team is really not that far from contention. The rebuild is nearly complete. The team is probably an OF and a starting pitcher away from being a WS contender, they could use an upgrade at C, but so could almost everyone else. I think that the plan should still be to sell at the deadline to complete the rebuild and reap what they can from Beckham and Viciedo along with whatever they can get back from anyone in the bullpen outside of Webb.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 16, 2014 -> 08:17 AM) (if you're pointing out grammatical issues, you're bored and your point is weak (check that one) - I was on my phone) Yes (PaulinO - PaulinA is the feminine form of the name) Yes Yes Yes KW, but yes What in the hell was the risk in any of those moves? Sometimes s*** doesn't work. Maybe take a step back and realize that sometime. You like to jump to conclusions and make decisions in hindsight. If those are the biggest shortcomings you can find, then he's still a 10 out of 10. Frankly, his biggest failure has been the Keppinger move and, as far as I'm aware, he hasn't even played baseball with anyone yet, so that shows how much he cared about that. The Sox got rid of him as soon as they could and admitted a mistake. Totally agree with this. Hahn is running out and buying lottery tickets and hoping that one or two will stick. It has worked out well enough with Putnam and Belly so far. Rodriguez and Taylor were both formerly top 50 prospects in all of baseball, so there is some upside there, the problem is trying to pull it out of them at this stage in their careers. There is nothing wrong with taking a chance on these guys, it is not like they are in the way of some prospects moving forward in the organization.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 12, 2014 -> 02:42 PM) That and until Kolek signs no way Rodon signs. Boras wants to see the numbers Kolek gets. Thats probably true. Hahn probably cost the org some $$ saying that Rodon was the best pitching prospect on TV.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 12, 2014 -> 02:38 PM) Let's just say the Sox and Rodon don't agree for whatever reason. The Sox then get the #3 pick next year, plus whatever spot we end up at the end of this year, right? The Sox would get pick #4 next season as a compensation pick. It really is a moot point though, he will sign. I really doubt they are even negotiating much on money as both sides now know what the Sox budget is, more just other details being ironed out now.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 12, 2014 -> 11:04 AM) Baseball America ‏@BaseballAmerica 3m Cuban star Alfredo Despaigne has been suspended for for life from the Mexican League. http://oak.ctx.ly/r/17d2b That is such a weird situation. It sounds like Despaigne and his family have pretty close ties with the Cuban government and they approved of him playing in Mexico. However, the Mexican league told him he should seek another passport because Cuban passports are difficult to travel with. "Mexican League teams aren’t affiliated with major league clubs, but they are associate members of Minor League Baseball. While Minor League Baseball cannot govern the roster rules of the Mexican League, Minor League Baseball officials told the Mexican League at the Winter Meetings that they would prefer the league did not sign Cuban citizens because it could create logistical issues with the Cuban embargo enforced by the United States Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control. So the Mexican League now asks Cuban players to have a passport from another country in order to play in the league." http://www.baseballamerica.com/internation...nican-passport/ So, it sounds like he went out and bought a fake passport without trying to gain citizenship to appease the Mexican league/MiLB just so he could play. I get that it is technically fraud, but what is the guy supposed to do?

Updated 1 (3): Carlos Rodon, LHP, /$5,721,500 2 (44): Spencer Adams, $1,282,700/$1,282,700 3 (77): Jace Fry, /$726,000 4 (108): Brett Austin, $450,000/$485,400 5 (138): Zach Thompson, $363,400/$363,400 6 (168): Louie Lechich, $40,000/$272,100 7 (198): Jake Peter, $203,800/$203,800 8 (228): John Ziznewski, /$162,100* 9 (258): Brian Clark, /$151,400 10 (288): Jake Jarvis, $141,300?/$141,300 - Assuming that this is full slot since this is a HS player 14 (408): Bryce Montes de Oca, /$100,000

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 05:16 PM) going the independent route is 1 yr and then he is a fa. signing for whomever offer the most money. This is not true. He can go to the independent league, but is subject to the draft again next year. Aaron Crow did this when he was drafted in 2008. He could go back and hope to have a bounce-back season. Appel went back and then went #1 overall the next season, while he signed underslot, it was still more than he would have gotten at #8. I think that Rodon signs because the risks outweigh anything he could possibly gain by returning to school another season, but I think it will take a while as Boras has been known to start negotiating seriously very close to the deadline to increase his leverage with his top picks. However, last season Appel (Boras client) signed on the 19th of June so maybe the new system has altered the way that he operates.