JUSTgottaBELIEVE

Sox offense is going to be ridiculous this year if they stay healthy. Should be the best offense in the history of the franchise.

Exactly what this team needs. Lynn and Eaton will definitely shake things up and remove any sense of complacency that may have existed last season.

The people that complain about the Lance Lynn trade because he’s a “minor” upgrade from Dane Dunning this season (and loss in future years because of player control) are the same people that complain the Sox didn’t “go for it” in free agency this winter. That’s funny.

And yet despite all these failures, some are calling the White Sox the best team in the American League. Could be worse. ?

He had a tough 2-3 week stretch in September but had a huge series against the Cubs the final series of the regular season and then a very good playoff series against the A’s. Calling Robert “risky” or whatever is lazy. He has one of the highest floors of any player on this team based on his defense alone.

Bob is saying $3M

Won’t matter. Division is terrible and Sox improved while their two top contenders regressed.

In this division, I’d be surprised if the Sox don’t win 100 games this season (assuming 162 game schedule).

The 2017 Astros team was the worst of those three teams. Ironically, it’s the only season they won a World Series. What does that tell me? Get to the dance and anything can happen. This isn’t the NBA where a true super team is a lock for a title.

Yankees are the ultimate high risk/high reward team. If their guys all play to their potential and stay healthy, no one is touching them in the AL. But the probability of their guys staying healthy is extremely low. I don’t think they’ve improved much from last year.

Ok, I’ll do it for you. Swap Marisnick with Aoki, Marwin with Beltran, and Peacock with Fiers. Your Astros total comes down to 37 compared to 35.6 for the Sox. Looks comparable to me! And the Sox aren’t done adding so that 35.6 will assuredly be higher by opening day. You can say the Astros had a better bench (possibly) but the Sox have a better bullpen. You can say that the Sox won’t add during the season to further strengthen the team but that’s just speculation. The FACT is that the projected opening day roster for 2021 White Sox is VERY comparable to the “super team” 2017 Houston Astros. Why is everyone complaining?

Why don’t you update your WAR totals with the correct opening day lineup for the Astros?

I didn’t even bother with the Sox side of the equation because it’s still January and they’re not done adding. But for an objective comparison of opening day lineups you have to use this article below from the Astros side. Note players like Beltran, Aoki, Fiers are in there and significantly alter the fWAR totals that the previous poster listed. And like I said, the team totals become nearly identical at that point, especially when you include the projected top bullpen contributors. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/mlb/news/houston-astros-2017-projections-schedule-opening-day-roster-lineup-fantasy-baseball-odds/1qu7jjrdrtggi1gjz37qvll3md

This entire post is garbage. You took the top 9 war producing players from the Astros lineup and top 5 WAR producing starting pitchers to make their lineup and staff look better than it was on opening day. Where’s Beltran? Where’s Aoki? Where’s Fiers? Where’s the bullpens? Try again with the Astros opening day lineup and you’ll see the White Sox projected opening day lineup in 2021 is VERY similar to this 2017 Astros “super team.”

Yea, a super team that gave Mike Fiers 28 starts and a young Lance McCullers 22. Also, had old ass Carlos Beltran as their starting DH and crappy Nori Aoki as their starting LF to begin the season. If they were a super team so are the 2021 White Sox.

If only we were talking about trading just Madrigal. People are talking about trading Madrigal as the second piece plus 3 other young MLB players for a guy with a career fWAR of 2.2 across parts of 3 seasons. It’s ridiculous. Keep the young guys and sign someone like Wainwright as a #5 placeholder for this season. If the team looks like a WS contender in July you can always make the big trade at that time once you have a better understanding of the team’s weaknesses. Hell, starting pitching might not even be the team’s biggest weakness if the young guys like Cease, Kopech, Stiever, and Crochet step up.

Shouldn’t be that hard to find a 2 WAR SP either. Wainwright was on pace for 3 fWAR last season and 2.2 fWAR the year before. Why trade cheap young talent when you can simply sign this guy for peanuts and likely looking at 1.5-2.0 fWAR out of the #5 spot?

I mean just in the last 4 years, I wouldn’t consider the 2019 Nationals or 2017 Astros “superteams”. Before them, I wouldn’t consider those Royals or Giants teams superteams either.

Dozier was paid $9M in 2019. If we get similar production at that position for basically $9M less, that’s a big win.

I wouldn’t mind Archer either if he’s healthy. Would be better than past bottom tier SP signings from a risk/reward perspective.

Ok. Time to forget Burnes and get back to debating a Wainwright vs Richards signing.

It’s like some here want to trade Kopech at his lowest value and trade for Burnes at his highest. That’s not a great way of building sustained success. I’m sure some will argue that Kopech’s value COULD go lower yet still and Burnes’ value COULD go higher but IMO it’s more likely that Kopech’s value rises from here while Burnes’ falls.

Throwing darts. But yea, he’s done. Let’s trade him and Vaughn plus another prospect or two for Corbin Burnes. GTFO

No doubt. I was told yesterday that a Burnes trade STARTS with a Giolito type return. You know, the same dude that finished top 7 in AL Cy Young voting the last two years and still has three years of cheap control.

I don’t know, would losing Vaughn, Kopech, and Stiever hurt? I think so but maybe you disagree.