JUSTgottaBELIEVE

Agreed. People can rip on Maldonado’s defense all they want but he’s clearly providing defensive value that Grandal didn’t. Whether or not it shows up in fangraphs I don’t care.

Stuff you Stuff you’d never see in prior years. Good baseball!

Nasty!

Nice call Maldonado!

I didn’t say it’s better but it’s not worse either.

No you wouldn’t.

s%*# teams? Not sure about that. Tigers look decent, Braves are likely a top 3 offense in MLB, and Royals averaged 4 runs/game against Twins/Orioles (not great but not terrible either).

I mean it’s wild to me that this pitching staff might have a top 10-15 ERA in mlb when you look at this collection of no names and/or rejects.

The offense is historically bad but there’s no doubt the pitching/defense has improved. Too bad the former top mlb prospects - Eloy, Robert, Vaughn, Moncada - can’t hit / stay healthy.

Agree to disagree. I personally see more value pumping the defense up to inflate the pitchers’ value. I think this gives you far better odds of returning decent prospects than Rosario, Grichuk or Taylor. Those kinds of players just don’t return anything meaningful at trade deadlines.

Those three guys would return absolutely nothing at the trade deadline just like the position players Getz signed. At least the position players Getz signed play very good defense which helps the pitchers about to be traded.

And none of those guys move the needle at all. You aren’t flipping those guys for anything meaningful at the deadline.

Those are the ones I mentioned and Crochet of course. Fedde doesn’t seem like the type that’s going to get a ton of strikeouts so he needs a solid D behind him. He reminds me a lot of Lorenzen and I think could have a very similar first half to what Lorenzen produced for the tigers last year. Lorenzen returned a 45 FV prospect last July (that could be a top 15 prospect for the Sox). I’d gladly take a return of that and another flier for Fedde. As for Crochet, I have no idea how to asses his value. It could be insane if he keeps this up for another 2.5 months.

Who are all these players you speak of? You haven’t mentioned any yet!

Because there are none (I can check the list too)

@WhiteSox2023 I’m still waiting for this long list…

Nope. Not with the budgetary constraints he was under. What useful players were available for less than $5M?

I don’t think any of the position players are tradable for anything useful. Then again, I don’t think they could have signed any last offseason that were. Their biggest value is in providing a strong defense for the pitching staff. I think Fedde will be their biggest trade chip this July unless they decide to move Crochet.

I’d be willing to make a large bet that a few Sox pitchers traded this summer bring back a handful of useful prospects. Hell, Kelly and Lynn’s suck ass brought back some last July. And they were expensive too. Today alone we hear that two aces in Strider and Beiber are down with TJS. Good pitchers are dropping like flies early in the season more than I’ve ever seen before.

And again I’m ok with that considering the overall suckage of the roster that Getz inherited and the budgetary constraints he was under. They were a 100 loss team no matter who he signed last winter. At least they have a strong defense that will make these tradable pitchers like Fedde, Soroka, Wilson, Brebbia, Kopech look better than they actually are and get some useful prospects back in return come July.

And that’s fine with me too. But I still think there’s more to the Jose R story than we know. Just a feeling. Why wasn’t he playing in Charlotte? “Attending to a family matter” ok

You’d rather have the $5.5M reliever with a 9 ERA? It was a salary dump for both sides, although I think the Sox got the only potentially useful long term piece in Shewmake in that trade.

I’m not worried about it. Isn’t like half the 40-man gone after this season anyways? Seems like they’re going to have a ton of space and even now could easily create it if they wanted.

I don’t want the Sox rushing ANY prospects to MLB until they’re fully ready, ESPECIALLY in a lost season. I don’t want to see Thorpe, Montgomery, Ramos, etc this season at all. Honestly, I don’t even want to see Sosa. Why start the service time on any of these guys in a lost season when any hopes for actually competing are still 2-3 years out at a minimum?

Who gives a s%*# in a lost season? None of these moves even matter. As long as they aren’t tying themselves up to horrible long term contracts like Javy Baez or Anthony Rendon I don’t care. Eloy and Moncada are off the books after this season and then they essentially have a clean slate from a payroll perspective. I’ll care more next offseason when they actually start spending money on multi year contracts.