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QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 12, 2008 -> 05:48 PM) You can for sure get impaired as it slows your motor skills, but not nearly to the extent of alcohol. IN fact cell phones impair driving more than Marijuana. Thats something that causes an actual danger on the road. You can put down the cell phone when traffic situations change, you can't suddenly pick sober. In fact, sober without distractions is the best way to drive.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Mar 12, 2008 -> 03:36 PM) I remember reading about an experiment done recently regarding this very situation. They set up all sorts of field tests with sober people, high people, liqoured up people , and people on other miscellaneous impairing drugs. The high people blew everyone else out of the water ( yes, the sober) for the better. They also set up people just on a cell phone... also eating something as simple as a bag of chips while listening to the radio... etc. I will find it later and post it, because i have a feeling this will be an on going thread for awhile.. Btw, what was the purpose of this thread again? QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 12, 2008 -> 05:46 PM) I never saw anyone say that. Stone cold sober is usually the best way to go through life, unless you need medication to function. Just for you. Now Santo has two of us to argue with.

2 up not the one above ^^ ^^

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Mar 12, 2008 -> 05:30 PM) I'd believe that some people do drive better high than sober. I'd also believe that some people drive better drunk than sober. I know when I smoke, I'm a worse driver than when sober. But I get from place to place safely, I obey all traffic rules, and everything's kosher other than the fact that I was high. And you would be fine if your airline pilot or kid's school bus driver said the same thing?

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Mar 12, 2008 -> 05:07 PM) Wow, really? Why does it take so much longer to go through med school than the driving school? Marijuana is linked to memory loss, and there is much more to remember when performing surgery than driving down the road. Again, it should come down to personal morals. Do you really need a law to tell you not to drive after drinking a lot? I guess common sense is hard to come by with Americans these days. So you believe that pot improves driving? QWERTY posted that people drive better high then sober. So name the specific skill that declines when you are high that effects the surgeon and not the driver?

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Mar 12, 2008 -> 04:57 PM) Surgeons require more skills than just simple motor skills and reaction time to do their job. They're two different situations. I wouldn't care if the zamboni guy or the landscaper on the riding mower smoked pot before doing their job. What skills that the surgeon needs that the driver would not? Or, if you prefer, what becomes worse with the surgeon that a driver does not need? And my point is, I find it hard to believe the drivers actually performed *better* than sober. Better than drunk, I believe. Better than some on cell phones, etc., I can believe. Better than stone cold sober, same set up, no way.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Mar 12, 2008 -> 03:36 PM) I remember reading about an experiment done recently regarding this very situation. They set up all sorts of field tests with sober people, high people, liqoured up people , and people on other miscellaneous impairing drugs. The high people blew everyone else out of the water ( yes, the sober) for the better. They also set up people just on a cell phone... also eating something as simple as a bag of chips while listening to the radio... etc. I will find it later and post it, because i have a feeling this will be an on going thread for awhile.. Btw, what was the purpose of this thread again? Instead of a surgeon, how about your pilot or the guy that is driving your kids to school? Prefer them high?

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Mar 12, 2008 -> 04:39 PM) What the hell does that have to do what he was talking about? Doesn't the surgeon has his own morals? No, I don't really want my surgeon smoking pot before operating on me (it could calm him and make him better,) and I don't want him masturbating before the surgery either. I don't care if he washes his hands. Should we ban masturbation in the US to prevent a possible case of a surgeon contaminating the patient? The previous post claims that people on pot actually drive better than sober. If that is true, then it should also make a surgeon better, certainly not worst. I can't think of a skill that a driver has that would not also help a surgeon.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Mar 12, 2008 -> 04:31 PM) At the end of the day when you add it all up, Obama wound up with more pledged delegates in Texas and in Nevada. How is she the winner? Her popular vote cannot be used as a defense when Obama has 2025 delegates. And he has the overall popular vote lead for those that think that is most important. At the end of the day, there is a state popular vote total, it is the only equal comparison between states. That map shows who received the most votes in that state. How that state manipulated the results so someone different received more delegates is a separate issue. So if you wish to have an asterisk that says Obama lost the popular vote, but won more delegates, I guess you can.

QUOTE(kjshoe04 @ Mar 12, 2008 -> 04:19 PM) I was on ESPN today. Details?

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Mar 12, 2008 -> 04:21 PM) Whenever they mention the maps they mention that it shows who "won" the various states. I am just having a hard time understanding why they use a different measure to identify which state a candidate won then the measurement that is actually used to secure the nomination. That is why they also report delegates won. Each state runs their primaries in their own way. In Texas you would need three maps to be really accurate. One to show delegates won based on the popular vote in each Rep district, one for caucus delegates won, and finally pledged superdelegates. And remember Texas awards delegates in a State Rep by State Rep districr basis. They report the popular vote because people want to know and it is the one comparison you can make from state to state. We still believe that every vote matters.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Mar 12, 2008 -> 03:59 PM) I understand the various things that are being reported wrt to popular vote, states won, etc. My beef is that when the major networks show a map of who won which state they only go by popular vote when that is not the measurement used for who wins the nomination. Would it be too difficult to color Texas and Nevada as Obama wins on the map? He did win those states when using the actual, and only, measurement used to decide the nominee. It depends on what they are trying to show with the maps.

QUOTE(pierard @ Mar 12, 2008 -> 04:12 PM) You really think so? I guess I never really though about it from that angle. It is a good point though. Personally, I don't know why people want pot to be illegal. Actually, after I thought about it, it would also depend on the current climate and who was elected and why.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 12, 2008 -> 04:03 PM) He'd be impaired if he had a cold and took cold medicine, so yes he would be considering impairment is such a giant blanket statement. You can be impaired by coffee, pop, different foods, mood, blood chemistry, sleep deprivation etc etc. So I dont know what kind of statement you are trying to make. But how does pot make people better drivers, yet somehow worst surgeons?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 12, 2008 -> 03:58 PM) Makes zero sense considering I dont even want my surgeon in a fight with his wife before operating, having a bad day, dust in his eye, headache, twitch, ANYTHING. Are you saying he would be impaired?

QUOTE(pierard @ Mar 12, 2008 -> 03:43 PM) The whole pot legality argument is skewed. Right now, only one side (those in favor of legalization) bear the burden of persuasion. If the argument started on a neutral basis, that is deciding whether pot should be illegal or not without it already being legal/illegal, I think the argument to make it illegal would be MUCH weaker than the argument to legalize it. Unfortunately, Rockefeller was able to handicap the argument. Actually I think under those circumstances, we would wind up without pot, cigarettes, and alcohol.

QUOTE(pierard @ Mar 12, 2008 -> 03:45 PM) Driving = Surgery? Judgement, reaction time, reflexes, motor movement, etc. If they could drive better, why wouldn't they be better in surgery? What skills would get worse for surgery that you would not need in driving?

There are several *facts* being reported. It is being reported how many delegates have been won, and it is being reported who won which states. Should the media just not report the winner of the popular vote in each state because some people do not understand that delegate count is more important? What people think after reading and hearing those results cannot be controlled.

^^^ How many would want their surgeon smoking a joint right before operating?

wow. I hope there were two bathrooms, poor guy

http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/conditions/...ref=mpstoryview

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 12, 2008 -> 02:51 PM) Winning Mississippi is not the same as winning Ohio, and shouldn't be portrayed as such. The whole Obama 11 state winning streak was stupid, because none of the states had any BIG delegate pull to them. The number of states each candidate has won, does not matter. All of the state sizes are not equal, and just giving total numbers of state wins is shortsighted. Hell just think back to the 2004 election when Bush used the same strategy to declare a mandate, and everyone freaked out. Oh how the times have changed... Using a sports analogy, isn't this like counting wins during the season? Of course there are big and small wins. But unlike say, college football, strength of schedule will not come into play. So I think there is some value in those comparisons. As far as Bush, I think the general is like the championship game. Sometimes the best team in the regular season doesn't win. Sometimes a bad call changes the results. And then we have the debates as to what the victory actually means. There can be valid and invalid inferences drawn from the same information. So I think it could be fair, in a primary, which occures in series, to make inferences that would not be valid if everyone voted at the same time. Still, great points, states won is not as big a factor as which states which will be a better predictor of success in November. But it really doesn't matter which Dem won Texas, they will lose in November and the opposite for California.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 12, 2008 -> 02:27 PM) With Haeger and Broadway out, I think that means there is a 99% chance that Masset is in the pen. He's the only pen arm left that can go a few innings. I'm a little surprised they want to just release Vasquez - he seemed to do well last year. I wonder if something came up in camp we haven't heard about, or if he's got some sort of mechanical issue. Or just doing right by him. Maybe he can catch on a 25 somewhere.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Mar 12, 2008 -> 01:33 PM) Well, that certainly is your opinion. BTW, I agree pot is probably less harmful then alcohol, I just don't think the comparison is necessary.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 12, 2008 -> 12:08 PM) Its not a big in depth thing. Player fails GM has to take action to cover failing player If Anderson could play CF like a major leaguer in 2006, we wouldn't be talking about Erstad, Owens, Quinten, Swisher, and the rest of them. Brian Anderson's failure as a major league CF forced Kenny Williams into action. If you can't understand the logic there, there isn't much point in continuing. And every GM in baseball knew the 8-ball K-Dubya was behind and would make it tougher for him to get fair for fair trades. If he keeps his head out of his ass, he could be truly great in this league.