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Seriously, I am so aggravated at the sales scum, I have little aggravation left for her. I seem to be the only one here who believes people can be a victim of a con and a smooth talking con man. If people always did what they knew, there would be no cons, no "morning after regrets", etc. I believe people can be led into messes like this. Someone coming off disability may have been especially vulnerable. But the "kaperbole" is waaay more fun

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 01:26 PM) sounds like a good award to me Well don't expect me to make it a habit . . .

QUOTE(Alpha Dog @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 08:31 AM) I appreciate the fact that my press guy doesn't want to put his mom in a home, so I will help him however I can. He has been with me for 16 years, and despite his extensive use of foul language, he is a good guy trying to do the right thing. Now if he were unionized, then we wouldn't be having this conversation. Is that more Rep-like for you? More this-Dem like

I voted with all of my email addys, for the cat

What pisses me off this this scum could have sold her a $50,000 car, but he decided to really take her for all she had and more. He decides she's a stupid idiot who will sign for a more expensive car. And everyone here thinks it's her fault for being that stupid. No way this is a well rehearsed con. And everyone calls her stupid and an idiot, but it's still her fault. I guess this scum found the perfect patsy. Just smart enough but not too smart. Because I know the folks here that rip this lady, would not do that if she was retarded. So she's just stupid enough to fall for this scums plan, but too smart to get any sympathy from anyone but me. So perhaps an IQ of >80 >100 We need to lock up stupid people, they do not deserve any protection. Do not let stupid people shop by themselves. Do not let stupid people buy anything. If they do and they get screwed, too bad, they should have known.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 03:15 PM) Whatever, unscrupulous people deserve to get nannified and ultra-protected by the system (read: government) and we un=unscrupulous folks can do whatever we want, because it'll all be ok! First step, get rid of any fraud laws, because they rely on stupid gullible people. If you get conned, you are stupid or greedy, therefore you can not be a victim. No victim, no crime. Open the prisons, we'll save a lot of money. let's go find some retarded people and take their money!

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 03:13 PM) but damn we do anything to intercept communications because terrorists have rights, too... The best way to keep the terrorists from stealing our rights is to give them up! Why can't people understand that? Innocent until proven guilty does not work, if the cops think you are guilty, you lose all rights. That's when we are really safe.

QUOTE(DrunkBomber @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 02:47 PM) There is no proof the dealership lied about her income. She claims she told them how much she made and that they agreed to change it together but how do we know thats true. She is desperate to give the car back so she will say anything that helps her case. She signed a contract saying she made that much so how do we know she told the salesman she didnt? The only way to prove it is if the salesman admitted it. Like I said before, nobody knows who changed the income on the second contract so how is the dealer all of a sudden committing fraud when for all we know she changed it. There would be no reason for the dealer to need to change the income if she was already approved at 6k. If youre so concerned about her why dont you contact the news outlet she used and make a donation to her? Whatever, she's stupid and stupid people deserve to get f***ed by unscrupulous companies.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 08:26 AM) Has anyone person said that the salesperson didn't do something wrong? Why is it so hard to accept, that when you do a crime, you need to deal with the consequenses? If she doesn't agree to commit fraud, none of this ever happens. Stop and think about that for a second. No matter what the salesman, financier, or anyone else did wrong, if the woman in question doesn't agree to falsify information, NONE of this happens. Which is why I pointed out there can be no victims of fraud. They all should have known, they all should not have done something. If someone doesn't hand over their social security number, the crime doesn't happen. If they don't send their bank info, none of this happens. Greed and stupidity describes everyone who is involved in a con.

What we need are more guns, 150 guns in that room would have stopped that gunman. Imagine 150 students pulling weapons and shooting that bastard. Pity the poor kid who shoots last, nothing left to hit

Has there been any mention if there was significance on it being Valentine's Day? I've only had a chance to skim a few articles.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 08:00 AM) If the price of the car itself was skewed or lied about that would make her the innocent victim of a con man. But at the end of the day, she knew the price of the car and therefore the price of her debt for the car. We would say she signed the contract, her fault. Ultimately the dealership lied about her income. Her lie wasn't good enough. But since she agreed to the first lie, she was open to whatever the dealership needed to do after that.

^^^^^^^ what he said. irs.gov has the free file. If for some reason you don't want the government to take care of you, H&R block on-line also works nicely.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 07:30 AM) Way to nice what?? Oh, nevermind, you just $hitty speller. Stay out of the English Department Professor M. Damn evil misquoter

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Feb 14, 2008 -> 11:19 PM) Can't take a little friendly competition, eh? IKBIC® Hell, friendly competition is guys like PA, he comes close, but Jimbo is way too nice.

QUOTE(Shadows @ Feb 14, 2008 -> 09:34 PM) Yessssssssss!!!! Still no failed test eat s*** Bonds haters.. Barry is the man!! Bonds Fan Club Logo

Start weight: 226 Current weight: 226 Goal weight: 190 lbs lost: 0 lbs to go: 37 I lost the pound I gained last week. Time for some changes to my plan.

QUOTE(Alpha Dog @ Feb 14, 2008 -> 04:48 PM) I would think, from experience, that like Steff said, the flexibility would be worth a huge cash tradeoff. I had a very flexible situation while both of my boys were young, and it was very nice. Being a smaller employer, I can't always compete salary-wise with some of my larger competitors, but I do offer flexibility. My press operator has his very old mom living with him, who is in need of alot of care. He often has to leave for doctor visits, and at least once a month into the emergency room for SOMETHING. He has come in late or on weekends if we need to get something done, and as long as he keeps me in the loop, I work with him to help him out. When I couldn't give out raises last year, he told me that the time off I give him when needed was worth more than any pay raise. Besides, it is hard to find a job you like, you may not find one again if you leave. Good luck either way. Hmm, talks like a Rep, acts like a Dem.

So can anyone be a victim of a con man? It seems we can always say, they should have known. No matter how smooth the con, they handed over the money, they should have known. They clicked on that link, they should have known. They singed the contract, they should have known. Someone describe a person to me that you all would say, should not have known, and was an actual victim?

Oh s***, it just crossed my screen. to all. I know it's a big campus, but it still is scary when people you know are around there. A friend of mine sent this to a list I am on

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Feb 14, 2008 -> 03:49 PM) With the plethora of payment calculators online, there's no reason not to know. She went into the store just looking. She knew she couldn't afford it. The salesperson showed her a way she could get a loan. He pointed out how she would be working soon and making all sorts of money. He sold her on her future then showed her how to lie on the application. When that wasn't enough, he went back and changed the contract she signed. Perhaps if she was told she would need $8,600 to qualify she would have stopped it there. Much of what he did was within the law, but when he told her how to commit fraud, she should have told him no. But by then, she was caught up in the excitement, she was about to be a Mercedes owner. She got owned. They took advantage of her. I really wish we would have had 100 posts blaming the scum bag who called himself a salesperson.

I hope there are two different things here. It would seem that many people here advocate for an open season on the stupid. Confused Senior citizens? Rip em good. Stupid people? Sell them twice and double the price. Because if anyone buys something they can't afford, it's their fault. No sympathy for stupid idiots I really hope that isn't true. Certainly we can expect companies to not use fraud to make bigger sales against the stupid. The fact they could have sold her a $50,000 car legitimately and legally, but chose instead to sell her a $100,000 vehicle using fraud is reprehensible. I view the truly stupid, the idiots, as needing protection.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Feb 14, 2008 -> 03:31 PM) Not even in the same ballpark as dumbasses buying stuff they can't afford and expecting taxpayers to bail them out. if someone buys a $100,000 car and they only make $20,000 a year, they deserve a bad credit rating. And if a bank finances it they deserve to take the hit. Taxpayers shouldn't be bailing either party out. What situation are you commenting on?

QUOTE(Jimbo's Drinker @ Feb 13, 2008 -> 07:39 PM) I really thought I would win for biggest s***head award Not even close Jimbo