Texsox

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 24, 2008 -> 09:23 PM) Thought you Iowans, particularly the Iowa Staters... RAGBRAI 2008 is going through Ames (overnight town), as well as going near or through Iowa City (overnight in North Liberty). Here is the route. I added that to my life list.

I just received an email from Obama's campaign and one line stood out. He talks about a former President campaigning for Hillary. I was thinking, knowing at least the public history between the Clintons and Carters if Jimmy Carter will be campaigning for Obama at some point. I also wonder if it would be of any help.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 24, 2008 -> 01:52 PM) Dude, after all the invective that those people have thrown at the Clintons over the years, from accusing them of murder to extortion to the impeachment hearings, do you think that there's any serious thing they could throw at them that is even believable any more? Especially coming from the Washington Times? It is pretty amazing.

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Jan 24, 2008 -> 12:27 PM) Disney World. I'm slightly obsessed with the place. "Micky to a five year old is a six foot f***ing rat" Robin Williams Live at the Met

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Jan 24, 2008 -> 12:40 PM) Romney is a much worse option than McCain IMO. That makes them both sound like bad options. I think they are both pretty good options, with McCain being the better one of the two. I think we agree.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 24, 2008 -> 12:24 PM) Um, am I the only one who remembers all the talk of him considering flipping parties in the early part of this decade, or the talk of him being Kerry's VP candidate, or all the campaign events he's doing with Lieberman? IIRC he always said he would not be interested in asked. And he showed some loyalty to Lieberman, I don't see a problem with that, in fact I always admired him for that.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 24, 2008 -> 12:12 PM) McCain I at least have some respect for... He's an easy guy to respect. Much more loyal to his party than most people would be. I just hope he's more than a Bob Dole kind of candidate.

Just wondering what y'all think is experience that prepares someone to be President. Obviously a Senator has different experience than a small state Governor, which is different than a large state Governor, and then we have private industry CEOs. And I'm wondering if someone like Williams Gates, cabinet experience, ran a major University, etc. if that could be considered "Presidential". What about military experience? We hear about experience all the time, perhaps an independent from any specific candidate's resume would be interesting.

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Jan 24, 2008 -> 11:18 AM) Not every campaign is taking this s***-slinging to the same level that Bush did in the past and now the Clintons are starting to do. True. And somewhere each campaign makes a careful analysis of how negative they can go. Some candidates can dish more s*** than others. Everything is carefully controlled, nothing is left to chance. Nothing is random, if they can help it.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 24, 2008 -> 11:16 AM) Ask her, I am not the one playing the fence. Personally I don't think he was in on any of it, but that is just me. It seems her fans play the all the good and none of the bad. her detractors play all the bad and none of the good. Both are equally wrong in my book. I prefer to ignore her husband's record and career, both the good and bad. And we should be looking at the record much like we look at the Red Sheet at Arlington. How will this help us to predict how this person will act as President?

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Jan 24, 2008 -> 11:07 AM) Orchestrated by Rove. See the post on the last page about Bill's admiration of Rove's strategies. Anything that works gets copied and duplicated. It goes both ways. Coke watches Pepsi and Pepsi watches Coke for great ideas. They try and dress them up in new clothes, but it's all the same.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jan 24, 2008 -> 11:00 AM) Sure, but the Clinton Spin Machine is dirt digging and s*** slinging, while the others talk about the issues more. I wish it were true more often. They can talk about the issues all they want but it wasn't the issues that drove McCain out of the 2000 race, it was his illegitimate black child. Sadly that sort of s*** works faster than a hundred position statements. And I'm not signaling Bush out, just pick the best recent example. Like I said, pop the hood and the business if politics is the same for both parties.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jan 24, 2008 -> 10:55 AM) Exactly right. And is shared by every candidate. They all want to talk about their positives and divert attention away from their negatives.

Easy for me. The farther away from motors and engines, the better.

QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Jan 24, 2008 -> 10:37 AM) oh that is very true. I have said for a while some of the best research is done by motivated bloggers, but they are over shadowed by those that are two bit hacks or spammers that dont do any research. Which is a shame. I pretty much discount 99% of the blogs out there.

QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Jan 24, 2008 -> 10:33 AM) oh it's total BS, that's why I dont like her. But she'll get away with it. All she needs to do is keep secrets hidden until Feb 6th. Yes Feb 5th isnt everything, but it'll give her momentum. The media seems so afraid to actually do work. It's sad the some of the best research is done by bloggers and major media largely ignores it. It's also sad that bloggers are held to a lower standard than big media.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 24, 2008 -> 10:31 AM) It doesn't work both way. She can claim experience for working on the good things in the White House, but not on the dirty underhanded stuff that was going on at the sametime. Its one way or the other. Either she was a part of what went on, or she wasn't. She doesn't get to pick and choose what benefits her. That's BS. Does it work the other way? Those that discount the good stuff and claim she had nothing to do with it, should those people then ignore the bad stuff and say it wasn't her?

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jan 24, 2008 -> 10:25 AM) Directly to SS2K's point, she wants it both ways. She was intimately involved in every good thing that happened in the Billy years, and WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY far away from everything bad. Now how the f*** does that work? And people still dig this woman. WTF is wrong with people? They shielded her from the bad stuff

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 24, 2008 -> 10:09 AM) Her attacking ANYONE for who they do business with it has got to take the biggest set of balls on the planet. This is woman whose experience consists of her husband (which supposedly by association means she did too if you listen to her on the good stuff) being associated with insider trading, illegal fundraising, pardons for donations, etc. After she drags Antoin Rezko into this, we need to start hearing names like Mark Rich, Hsu, Wang Jun, James Blair, etc. Agreed. Side note and I'm trying to phrase this so it comes out properly. IMNSHO, she has a bigger set then any of the other candidates, from either party, and certainly more than her husband. Perhaps, in this climate, she may be a better choice then I've been giving her credit for.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 24, 2008 -> 09:11 AM) Say all you want about Canseco, but he has been vindicated at just about every turn. Part of me is sad that Maggs was named, but I also see how he acted with his free agency, and it was apparent then that he would do whatever it takes, no matter what. That's an interesting take on it, linking contract negotiations (financial gain) with steroids. I'm wondering how many did it for the money and how many did it for the inflated stats, fame, and winning.

Tough call. It doesn't seem right not recognizing them, and it does cause most people to look around and ask who died. On the other hand, sadly, it may become routine enough that people do stop asking and it becomes "some soldier". I'd like to read more, but I lean more towards stopping the tradition with any law maker, reserve it for Presidents and maybe VPs, and that's about it. As we go the other way, with a widening circle, pretty soon the honor loses it's status.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 24, 2008 -> 08:23 AM) Quit buying Chinese s***, and start paying twice as much to buy American. Problem solved. I am trying to remember when the Buy American stuff ended. I remember bumper stickers Hungry? Eat Your Foreign Car back in the 70s and into the 80s, but over all I think we've pretty much ended that campaign.

Two threads going. I'll merge.

Who knows, but looking at the last season, and assuming that he wouldn't be using in this climate, I doubt it.

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Jan 20, 2008 -> 12:57 PM) Fish suck. Have you tried them grilled on a cedar plank?