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QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Apr 11, 2006 -> 12:12 PM) Goats on a Mutherf@cK!n& boat!!! Nah, just doesn't have the same ring to it. Logan's Run or Blade Runner? Yuch to both but Blade Runner Godfather or Scarface

In the end, it will be her story versus the team's story and who is more believable. Lacking DNA evidence, it will be a difficult case to win. Her line of work, I am sorry to say, will not help her with the jury. Those nice, well groomed, well bred college boys, versus a woman who strips for a living. The jury will have to ask themselves whose story is more believable. Just to be clear, sex workers, strippers, prostitutes, I believe, can be raped. No means no, no matter the circumstances. However, in this particular case, absent of any scientific evidence, I would rather be the attorney for the accused.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 11, 2006 -> 12:57 PM) While SS's article did contain some snark, it is highly relevant, and makes some excellent points. I stand by SS2K5 on this one. No matter your feelings on increasing visas or allowing a migrant/guest worker program (which I am in favor of), there is just no justification for illegal entry into another country. Nothing positive comes of it. You are correct. This has been a political hot potato that neither party wants to debate. On one hand the majority of these workers are making a contribution to our society, and the other, the growth of Spanish speaking immigrants has been met with resentment in many areas. Being viewed as pro-Mexican immigration is a quick trip out of office. So the politicians have to figure out a way to keep these people in the workforce, yet be seen as anti-illegal immigration. Replaceing these trained workers, with legal, but untrained, is not going to help the economy or our nation.

QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Apr 11, 2006 -> 12:46 PM) I don't have a strategy, I just post. As for the 'f***ing' and 'bulls***', what can I say...you bring out the best in me. Just to make you feel better though, I understood your point perfectly while using those words. If I think someone is intelligent and articulate I like to ask questions and understand how they reached an opinion. If it seems like an informed opinion, I enjoy studying it and seeing what I can learn from it. I find there is little to be learned from uninformed opinions based on poor information. I am, by nature, a very inquistive person, as you noticed. I am much more interested in other people's opinions.

I find it interesting to see how various other forms of government handle the change of power. Once again, I appreciate our form of government.

QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Apr 11, 2006 -> 12:09 PM) Dude you have to turn everything into a f***in headache. You said it was easy to immigrate to mexico. I just pointed out an article saying otherwise and you in turn start with your needling... Are you suggesting this? Should we do this? Do you think that? Blah blah blah. Same s*** with you everytime. Someone makes a comment and you start asking all these hypothetical questoins..."what if this...what if that" They answer and you have more "how about if this...are you saying we should do that." They answer and guess what...you have more hypothetical bulls***. It's like you have a posting strategy or something. Get the person to keep having to defend themselves against your ignorant suggestions instead of making their own points. Whatever...Been down that road before. This ain't a Q&A. I was simply f***ing saying that if I was an illegal mexican wondering what the big hooppla was about, I can look at my own country and say ...oh dam..we have our own policies as well. It isn't as easy as just crossing a border here either. What your post showed was it was difficult to own Real Estate in Mexico. Actually damn near impossible. And I agree with that point. My point was it is easy to immigrate and work in Mexico which is what most of the illegals wish to do. So if we break it down and compare apples and apples, applying for a work permit is much easier for an American working in Mexico than a Mexican working in America. I happen to have worked in Mexico for two years so maybe I know something about the subject. Sorry for asking questions, I was trying to understand your point. I guess people who don't want to understand other people's opinions will just say f***ing and bulls*** a few times and think that is a worthwhile discussion. So if just saying f***ing and bulls*** is your posting strategy, well I've been down that road with people before. I learned there wasn't much to learn from those types.

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Apr 11, 2006 -> 11:24 AM) Depends on the city. Chicago? cabs, easy. deaf or blind? deaf great singer or great actor

Well crafted. Nice tune. Wrong on so many things.

QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Apr 11, 2006 -> 10:07 AM) I wasn't saying we should model our laws after mexicos at all. I dont think that's what rush was saying either. I don't think it said their way was better anywhere either. I'm just saying illegal Mexicans, waving their mexican flags in this country,(due to what I can only assume is pride in their country cause why else to you wave flags) can take a look at the policys of their own homeland when trying to get the US to change it's laws. I know my ancestors didn't come here from Italy waving the Italian Flag and demanding citizenship. Your ancestors were not judged by Italian laws either. Are you saying that if Mexico had different laws, the illegals would have a valid argument? That if they were campaigning for similar laws from their country, it would somehow be more legitimate? For example with illegals were demanding the end to private gun ownership or capital punishment, it would then be valid because that is the law in their native country? Should the US base their immigration laws concerning a specific country based on that country's laws? If a Country allows free immigration from America, we should allow free immigration to America? SS, This is about objects, goods, that are entering, not people. I didn't see the connection between allowing freight to pass through unchecked and people. So the 12 million illegals doesn't appear on face value to be a fair comparison of freight policies.

QUOTE(rangercal @ Apr 11, 2006 -> 09:37 AM) frontwards ws trophy (giveaway) or replica ring Trophy buses or cabs

QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Apr 11, 2006 -> 09:40 AM) From the transcript: “I can imagine many of you think that the Limbaugh Laws are pretty harsh. I imagine today some of you probably are going, "Yeah! Yeah!" Well, let me tell you this, folks. Every one of the laws I just mentioned are actual laws of Mexico, today. I just read you Mexican immigration law. That's how the Mexican government handles immigrants to their country.”[/i] Most of those are accurate. Foreigners have very limited real estate rights in Mexico. Are you suggesting that should be the policy here? That foreign companies not be allowed to purchase real estate? Perhaps we should consider the relative lifestyles of both countries and believe our laws are better and resulted in ours being the #1 economy in the world. Why would we want to look at a country that clearly is behind us in almost every major area and think their way is better? What I am saying, is if you want to work in Mexico, and I did for 2 years, it is a very simple process. And once you are issued your green card, you may live and work anywhere within their borders.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Apr 11, 2006 -> 09:24 AM) Mexico is the world's 5th largest economy. Really? I find that very difficult to believe. US Japan Germany Italy UK France Canada China India all would seem to have bigger economies. Where did you pull that list from? http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbo...os/mx.html#Econ CIA Factbook rankings

Another reason Maggs is probably crying about moving to Detroit

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Apr 11, 2006 -> 08:56 AM) I dunno. Yours was in green after all, so it *may contain snark*. I appreciate that SS' post was just one of those email forwards of little consequence. But a lot of it is really divorced from reality. Consider: By "nice job" that must mean a job that pays less than half of what a native gets, bacause that is the situation for Mexican illegals here. So what does that work out to for David M. Bresnahan when he makes his big move to Mexico? In a country where most people are making less in real wages now than they did in 1980, with a per capita income that is one-fourth that of the United States, and a current daily minimum wage equivalent of less than $3/day, I bet Mr. Bresnahan is really looking forward to taking care of his family with his new gig that nets him half of that. It is unfair to compare Mexico and US wages. The employee benefit structures are much different. But there is no doubt that Mexico has killed their middle class a couple times. Once again, it is a country of have and have nots.

The problem is we always remember the accusation, but rarely the outcome. Our system is based on innocent until proven guilty. Shouldn't the innocent have some protection?

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Apr 11, 2006 -> 08:39 AM) Jaegurmeister is the single foulest drink ever concocted by humankind. i get physically ill just thinking about the stuff. The "friends" buying me drinks at my bachelor party 10 years ago had a lot to do with it. :puke High Draft Pick Hostess or Dolly Madison? Hostess Caps, frontwards or backwards?

I think once the terrorism angle is separated from the immigration issue, we may actually move forward. Terrorists will not want to risk death across a desert when they can drive in. They are less likely to carry a WMD across the desert when they can ship it in or build it here. But those that want controlled immigration and more accountability, which I believe is a valid consideration, have used 9/11 and the war on terrorism to start a national debate. Perhaps that was the only way to get this from the backburner to out front where something might actually happen. And Jim, I think I was a bit snarkier than SS my dreaming big sarcasm was possibly out of line.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Apr 11, 2006 -> 08:31 AM) I'm just saying if we are throwing out rhetoric, I got that email this morning. It does bring up some valid points. It also highlights how different our two countries are. I was going to say advanced, but there are many that would like us to be more like Mexico. Guilty until proven innocent, one language, easy immigration, no guns, no Capital punishment, state owned petroleum production and distribution, and I could go on.

QUOTE(Steff @ Apr 11, 2006 -> 08:21 AM) Which is a good argument for accusations not being made public until the accused is convicted of a crime. I've never heard of that possibility. but it does make sense to at least consider. I am certain there will be people on the other side suggesting it isn't good policy to allow an accused rapist to teach school, etc. There is no perfect balance between accused and accuser rights. The pendulum was to far to one side when the accuser was attacked and run through the mud, now the accused is, and that is probably equally wrong.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ So we should be more like Mexico? You are dreaming big there. It is very easy to immigrate to Mexico. Basically fill out a form and they will accept as many as we can send. You will need a FM3, basically a green card, and yes they are green. Basically get a passport, and a Photo ID. That is much different than immigrating to the US. So the comparison fails on many levels.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Apr 11, 2006 -> 07:46 AM) methinks I should start catching up on the catch-all thread before making new posts. Not really. The new tape really adds to the story. I guess if there are a lot of prank phone calls, dispatchers become jaded and not always make the right decision.

The catchall thread has some responses, all of the fire those dispactchers now, variety.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Apr 11, 2006 -> 07:23 AM) When Tiger was focused completely on Golf, and nothing but Golf, Mickelson couldnt stand in the same room with him in terms of competition. Now that Tiger seems to have all these things going on in his life(his fathers declining health first and foremost, he got married, has his foundations, etc.), he isnt winning as much and Mickelson seems to be taking charge. It will be interesting in the next couple years to see what happens. Way back when he came joined the tour, at The Milwaukee Open, there was talk that his swing would be difficult to maintain for decades. The power he generates requires a young body. He has made some changes through the years. I guess what I am saying is there may be more reasons than just his focus. But I agree that is probably in there also.

Is this turning into another Palmer v. Nicklaus? It would be great for the game. So many contrasts in style, personality, late vs. early success.

QUOTE(KWs OK for Me @ Apr 11, 2006 -> 02:31 AM) I have known a few people whose lives have been [ruined is too harsh a word] thrown upside down because some dumb drunk sorority girl got drunk, woke up somewhere that she's not familiar with and cries rape or date-rape. Two different issues here, the "she was drunk, but said yes", is not an excuse to rape someone. :headshake