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QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Apr 9, 2006 -> 09:05 AM) Thx. Opening up a ID studio?

I wonder how many are dubbed in or if they are legit. I can't believe you can get that many to admit some of them, and that includes the first female I ever heard of that likes C*** as a word, I've met a few that liked the object

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Apr 6, 2006 -> 05:11 PM) no, it is illegal and he/she should be fined. it's a huge drain on our government. we can't afford to school all the illegals kids, we can't afford to pay all their hospital bills. pay more, mechanize or find a new job. Why we want to take an existing labor pool, trained, ready, and willing to do the job and replace them with people who have not been willing to do the job is beyond me. Let's dump all the trained workers for more expensive, untrained workers who are not familiar with the industry. Huge drain? So if they are documented, we can then pay for all that? How much in taxes do you think people earning at or near minimum wage would contribute in taxes? That's the financial difference. The other difference will be, once legal, they will be eligible for more government programs for the working poor, the same benefits anyone working those jobs would have. First off, the work is temporary and seasonal. You have to find people willing to live out of their cars for 9 months, following the crops, or have thousands of people available for a month and then they go do something else. Come up with a plan to find those workers, the country needs you. Currently people are risking their lives to work and imprisonment and huge fines to employ them. You can not mechanize all jobs in agriculture. They are developing new processes all the time, but it is still labor intense. Visit a packing shed, and with all the high speed computerized sorters there are still hundreds of workers needed. The farmers should find new jobs? Some people are not concered that we cannot produce enough food in the US to feed ourselves, yet they are concerned about not having enough gas for their cars. Pay more? How much would you want to work three weeks at a time from Idaho to Texas? Funny that during discussion about raising the minimum wage, businesses couldn't possibly pay more, owners would close shop, etc. Now conservatives believe we can increase wages and everything will be fine. Poor people are a drain on the economy. Interestingly we can afford to pay the medical bills and educate people earning minimum wage who are also not paying much if any in taxes. But we can't for other workers. And of course, business owners cannot pay much in taxes because then they will close their businesses and go do something else so they can pay less tax. YAS, the learn English thing comes up all the time. Yes, you would learn the language for the country you are in, but if you and I met in a restaurant, we would converse in English. If the shopkeeper speaks English, you would be more comfortable speaking English and he would get more of your businesses. Yet, the language thing always comes up, and I find it rather silly. I wonder if deaf and mutes (is there a better term?) should be allowed to use sign language?

QUOTE(YASNY @ Apr 7, 2006 -> 03:11 AM) When posting about a recent book, movie or TV show and your post may spoil it for someone that hasn't seen or read it yet, always precede your post with a definitive spoiler warning. That's because YAS was so upset when he found out the ship sank in Titanic

The mention of Mariotti must cause your head to spin like Linda Blair, you must immediatly call him moronotti, and hyperventilate in the thread. Any Sox player who regularly or even occassionaly posts here is immediatly given HoF stature, except BMac, who really is that good Oxy Moron, Jason can't spell, yet he's the only one here with his own reference in the Urban Dictionary.

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Apr 6, 2006 -> 02:16 PM) Let's make Mexico the 51st state. It's cheaper to keep them as a buffer to South America.

Laws come and go, and reflect the needs of society. Some are classics and will always be around, like murder. Society has a need to keep people from killing each other. Others become outdated when society values change, like interracial marriage. We are probably at a time when the laws need to be updated and rewritten. The analogy becomes relevant when society describes this immigration as nothing more than a speeding ticket, or something far more serious. I hope no one here ever took a tax deduction they weren't entitled to, because avoiding paying taxes is such a threat to our security.

AJ or Garland.

QUOTE(Steff @ Apr 6, 2006 -> 01:55 PM) It was busy while you were on vacation. What was sadder was the two players who earned roster spots and I'm looking at the roster thinking, who the hell is he? March is a terrible month to miss everything. I called Kap for an update.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Apr 6, 2006 -> 01:05 PM) Which posters do you speak of? Who the hell are you? I forgot his name already, but I looked and the guy had 4,000 posts and I never heard of him. Then I looked in a few more threads and found a bunch of people I didn't recognize.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 6, 2006 -> 12:58 PM) I think its wrong because its illegal, and I think its illegal because it SHOULD be. No one should be allowed to walk into this country undocumented, unchecked, use up resources, fail to pay taxes, present unknown risks and do what they please. If they want in, get a Visa. I'm all for more visas and a migrant worker program. But at least then, we deal with ALL of those risks I mentioned above. And further, we reduce the risk to the immigrants as well, by making sure they have some protections under the law. So its not just that its illegal - its illegal for good reason. I assume you are exempting the millions of tourists that come to this country, expecting police protection, use our roads, fail to pay taxes, present unknown risks, and do what they please. Or the students that fill our Universities. Or the visiting scientists who join our think tanks and work with our scientists. And the guest worker program will hopefully offer the visas etc. We knew about every terrorist who has committed an act of terror on our shores. Knowing and stopping is two different things. I still believe a trained terrorist would walk in with documentation so that a simple speeding ticket wouldn't ruin their plans.

Whenever I think of Christ's childhood I can't help but believe that somewhere there were kids thinking Oh s***, I beat the crap out of him in 2nd grade.

How is it there can be posters here with thousands of posts and I don't recognize the name? Where the hell have they been posting?

QUOTE(Soxy @ Apr 6, 2006 -> 12:53 PM) Um, people here are generally a lot nicer than this thread would suggest. Except me, I'm always heinous. Not true, we are not nicer than this thread suggests.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Apr 6, 2006 -> 10:19 AM) Because the '94 strike was the worst thing to happen to baseball since 1919. There was nothing but bitter contentiousness between the owners and the union and the fans were majorly pissed. They had to get back to playing baseball, not fighting anymore battles. QUOTE(YASNY @ Apr 6, 2006 -> 10:57 AM) Maybe Bud was protecting the existance of the game. As always in this forum, YAS and I are thinking about the same thing, and I would add, baseball may have been better off without the testing. Like it or not, the Mac / Sosa homerun derby, bodies juiced, caused people to loook at baseball again. It may be true that by ignoring steroids, Bud actually helped the sport. BTW, if there was a n all platoon doped league with 110 mph fastballs and 500 foot homeruns and a clean league, I'm not certain which league would have the bigger fan base in a generation. (YAS, how can you be so smart here, and so not smart in filibuster)

QUOTE(YASNY @ Apr 6, 2006 -> 10:33 AM) Now from my personal perspective, this is bull. I do not have anything against Latino people. In fact, I respect the hell out of them because they are such hard workers. I'm against illegal immigration for one reason and one reason only. It's illegal. Then why such an outcry that anyone speak English? Why would it be necessary to speak at all? And Bush wants to change things so they aren't ilegal, and then we will both be happy. It has been illegal forever and every decade of two we dream up a program to document these workers. The economy needs it, there are no extra cogs. QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 6, 2006 -> 12:34 PM) I hope you are not saying that a person entering a country illegally, using their services and allowing employers to discard employment laws, is in the same ballpark as having 4 beers instead of two in a bar, or going 5 mph over the speed limit. I am saying there are reasons to break a law. Some valid, some invalid. I business owner who is faced with closing his doors, or a farmer who can't get his crops picked, may have a valid reason to hire someone without documentation. A business who is just trying to exploit people, may not be on the same moral or ethical grounds. I am certain there are examples of both out there. Getting back to the terrorist angle. I'm not certain where the 90% mark comes in, but any terrorist that has invested money in their plot is not going to risk death in a desert march when they can arrive as tourists, or recruit someone already here.

LMAO I love a good Mariotti rant.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Apr 6, 2006 -> 09:24 AM) A dog? came back 5 years later, well fed, but not really groomed . . .

QUOTE(Steff @ Apr 6, 2006 -> 09:26 AM) That makes sense, and I have no idea, but do Dairy Queen workers work for tips...? I didn't read the entire thread and just pulled out that one comment. I wouldn't think they could work for less than the minimum, but they could withhold for uniforms, etc. They could work less than a 40 hour week and still be "full time". So $10,000 would be possible.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Apr 6, 2006 -> 09:21 AM) There is actually a fairly sizable movement out of the black community too. By and large because of lower general education levels it is black workers who have the most to lose with illegal immigration. And its not just white people fanning the flames of racism, some of them are mayors of formerly black cities who are on record as wanting to keep Mexicans out of his "chocolate" city. He was applauded for it, and never really met with any outrage both in the media and the public at large. But thanks for the racial generalizations, which do no more to help in this debate than Mexician students intentionally defaming the American flag... http://newsbusters.org/node/2147 Exactly right. I should have broken that sentance in two. Politicians and pundits (of all colors and religions) are fanning the flames, and many are using (white) unemployment as a device. It's a white US for the most part and that gets action faster. They are linking terrorism with illegal workers, which is such a thin link. It seems impossible for anyone is this to not see it as a racial thing. Mexicans vs. Americans, etc. The undercurrent I feel is that Latinos of all countries are exploding in population and becoming more political. Businesses are working overtime to sell to this market and advertising in Spanish, which makes people who do not speak Spanish uncomfortable. We are already the worst world power in terms of being mono-lingual, yet we want to further retreat. It isn't some obscure government document being in 12 languages that most people fear, it's walking into The Gap and hearing the clerk sell a pair of jeans in Spanish. It's being at lunch and the conversations around you are in Spanish. That's what people fear.

QUOTE(Steff @ Apr 5, 2006 -> 08:16 PM) Thanks Greasy. Now I am curious.. if someone pays under the federal wage.. can't they get into trouble...? There are certain exceptions to the minimum wage rules. I had to look them up once, but have forgotten most of them. Perhaps with the recent changes, those classifications were removed. It was things like waiters who received tips, seasonal jobs, etc. You could also deduct for uniforms, regardless of actual cost) and stuff like that.

Ahh a modern day Liz Taylor / Richard Burton pairing . . .

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Apr 6, 2006 -> 09:12 AM) Pig latin- it makes more sense Seize the day or make it over the long haul? Seize the Day, tomorrow may never come Look before you leap or he who hesitates is lost?

I had a girlfriend like that . . .

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Apr 6, 2006 -> 07:25 AM) The gel/liquid stuff. Celtic with a "K" or Celtic with a "S"? With a "K" for strikeout :-) Pig Latin or FlaSoxxJim's Latin?