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QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Oct 18, 2005 -> 09:43 AM) This doesnt happen. There isnt much on a shark that is worth processing, from what I have read. Something about the high content of Urea in their blood or something. So a shark is basically killed for about 20 percent of their body. its a waste I think there is a definite difference in hunting and baiting. I have had shark steak, have seen shark skin boots, wallets, and other items. I believe it depends on the species of shark. You are probably correct, some are harvested for only one use. I've seen preserved baby aligators for sale. I'm not certain if we would call that a high percentage usage or not. I think it would be a moral slippery slope to try and justify killing an animal based on the percentage of use you will receive from the animal. I doubt the cow cares if it's hooves and tail and used or not when it gets wacked on the head.

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QUOTE(BDavisFutureHOF @ Oct 18, 2005 -> 12:26 PM) MOTHER f***ING TICKETMASTER/SCRUB FANS! This is horses*** -- my pops has been a fan of this team since the early 30's and we can't get tickets but this f***ing duech bag Scrubs fan next to me got 4 to games 1 AND 2 -- Only to f***ing sell them! I seriously feel like beating this s*** bag senseless! To sell them? But these went to the common fan. BTW, I always try and buy tix to these kinds of games. I figure it's cheaper than buying a scratch off lottery ticket with a better return. The guy I know at TM should be calling me soon to see how we did. Come on Daddy needs 10 new $100 bills.

QUOTE(agame @ Oct 18, 2005 -> 12:27 PM) I agree, Their infrastructure is obviously not setup to handle this. They should've offered the deal throughout yhe playoffs. I thought they did and not many people took them up on it

Cool. What is funny is half were hoping to see a Sox celebration, half were hoping to see a collapse. Too bad Cub fans

The Rally Crede never reads Mariotti. The Rally Crede drinks his coffee black. The Rally Crede buys American made cars. The Rally Crede drops gold coins in the Salvation Army Bucket every year.

The #1 thing I am asked is what's up with the whole Cubs/Sox thing (always in that order). It does not compare with the Mets/Yankees because the Yankees have been so successful and dwarf the Mets. Even the Angels/Dodgers thing is kind of secondary. There is no better rivalry for no understandable reason that Sox/Cubs. Bears Packers play in the same division. Notre Dame USC has 70+ meetings. Cowboys Redskins another divisional rivalry. Longhorn Sooners, division rivalry. Sox Cubs? A city split in two, usually debating which team sucked less the previous year. Two teams that for decades never played each other. The same fans who join together at Bulls, Bears, and Hawks games, fighting at baseball games. It is one thing that makes this unique to the nation. Fans in other cities really cannot understand a Chicagoan cheering against a Chicago team. Certainly they can understand a transplant, but not someone born and raised in the city. Imagine if Houston won last night and half the city either didn't care or was pissed that the Astros won? That's how absurd it is to the rest of America, and something we know in our souls is right and fair.

QUOTE(fathom @ Oct 18, 2005 -> 08:52 AM) This is one of the worst pieces of s*** I've ever read. While I agreed with a lot of what he said when the Sox were struggling, this seems like an article written by someone desperate to piss of White Sox fans. http://www.suntimes.com/output/mariotti/cst-spt-jay18.html Let's go back to the beginning. This is one of the worse pieces of s*** you've ever read because he discusses this being a Cub's town? Have the read this thread where yesterday soxtalkers basically discuss the same thing? Are you disagreeing that in fact it is a Sox town? Shall I pull up the threads here that talk about zero celebrating on the north side? You don't think it's a story? Should every columnist write about the same thing? Jay is writing about the same things that hard core Sox fans are discussing. Reaction from the city is always a story. Whether it's over turning cabs on Division Street after a Bulls Championship, or zero celebrating, it's a story. I think we all look silly when we complain about a columnist writing the same things we're talking about. And what kind of columnist discusses this two days after clinching? One that has written for years that JR was too cheap to win a Championship. One that suggested Wrigley was too unsafe to host a game. One who thinks the Bears can't draft a qb correctly. One that prefers tackling controversy to ass kissing pr fluff from the front office. I still don't see what was in the article to piss off Sox fans. Maybe the gratuitous Ligue reference, I am very tired of reading that crap.

Free Agent. Turned down the LAD AAA assigment.

QUOTE(sin city sox fan @ Oct 18, 2005 -> 11:10 AM) I'm sure that some of these were snagged by brokers....but I doubt if they went too crazy on these. Knowing that prospective buyers could get the same deal at this time really limits their market. People are not going to pay $3000 to a broker for a ticket if they didn't take advantage of paying the same amount to the White Sox for season tickets and World Series tickets. And for those of you upset about these not being sold by themselves (without season ticket obligations)....rest assured that the brokers would probably secure almost all tickets sold in this manner. They will pay hundreds of people to wait in line, dial on 20 different lines, try connecting on 15 different computers, or do anything else necessary to make the purchase (including bribes to people in the ticket office whom I sure they know quite well). I applaud the Sox for this effort and look forward to seeing the moves in the off season this extra revenue will provide. Lets not find anything to b**** about in this time of extreme joy....we're in the f***ing World Series and in great shape as an organization for years to come! Excellent points. I saw it as an anti-broker move, not a pro broker move. IIRC when I had Bulls tix, what I wanted was only season ticket holder to be allowed in.

QUOTE(fathom @ Oct 18, 2005 -> 11:08 AM) Yes I read the article, and I still think he's completely reaching to say that since Pujols hit the homer, it still makes it a Cubs town. If anything, the Pujols homer last night should have made the buzz around town diminish because the Sox still don't know who they're playing in the World Series. The next few days should be the calm before the storm. Please don't group me with other Sox homers though that will rip on anything Mariotti says. This article just flat out sucked, and it seems like the type of thing written by someone who has a lot of hate for a team. And like was just mentioned, Mariotti can never just come out and praise the team without somehow throwing in an insult also. Post some quotes that show what you are talking about. I don't see the Pujols to Cubs town link.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Oct 18, 2005 -> 10:55 AM) Many of the people putting down money are brokers themselves. They will rake in money for the WS tickets, paying for next year's full season and then some, and will be able to sell the defending World Champion tickets for at least face next year which would be all profit. So how much do you think the brokers are willing to invest? How much capitol will they invest for 2006, knowing that most regular season games will not sell out and they will have to take a loss on those tickets? They will not be getting face value on most of the games. They also have expenses in selling the tickets. Even getting face value, they will lose based on interest and overhead. Plus if they tie up too much money they don't have it to buy Stones, Bulls, Streisand, etc. tickets. If the Sox are out of the race by August, the brokers are really in trouble. They don't like to gamble. They also don't want 50 or 100 seats to an event that may or may not sell out. Then have that for 80 games? Who will be paying a premium in April? Don't you think they would come out better in a single game market? Invest now and get your return in days? You know the phone lines would be jammed by opportunistic people hoping to snag tickets to sell. And the brokers employ people to buy tickets. Some have ties directly to Ticketmaster and the other sellers. They develop contacts inside the clubs to gain access. This at least puts up one barrier to the sellers. They need a much bigger investment.

QUOTE(fathom @ Oct 18, 2005 -> 09:17 AM) No, the argument is pathetic because he basically uses the homer by Pujols last night as a way to start comparing the excitement level between the Sox making the World Series, and the Cubs making the NLCS. He also tries to make it sound like many important members of the Sox organization are still worried about the whole Sox/Cubs rivalry. Mariotti should be spending this week talking about the importance of a team making the World Series for the first time in over 4 decades, and not using it to push his agenda of basically being a dick towards the Sox. No he used the Pujols homerun to show that despite everything going the Sox way, it is still a Cubs town. That's what he said to link the two. Post some quotes in his article that hasn't also been discussed here? Cards over Astros? If that's s***ty, then call out most of the posters here. Ozzie, JR, and KW, have all come out with statements urging Cub fans to back the Sox. Seems like they are doing their best to whoo Cub fans to become Sox fans. Are they being s***ty too? Did you even read the article?

Who would be more likely to sell their tickets? Person A who buys two tickets at $140 each and can make a quick, higher % cash profit. Person B who buys season tickets + WS Tickets and would make a much smaller profit after expenses, who would basically have 2006 season tickets for his trouble? My guess is person A. More people would go through the trouble of trying and hitting the lottery with a lower initial investment.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Oct 18, 2005 -> 09:42 AM) I'm not bitter. I'm a long time season ticketholder who will be at the games. As I said, there will be a few people getting these tickets with good intentions. I just think the majority will wind up in ticket broker hands which is a shame. IMO, there at least should be some tickets available for the general public. The general public would be selling also and the brokers are even better at snagging these. They have the systems in place, their jobs depend on it. You are also forgetting the thousands of seats that the league has to give to executives of other teams, Fox, and other sponsors, etc. So few tickets are ever available for big events like this.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Oct 18, 2005 -> 09:35 AM) I just question the long-term effect it really is going to have on the season ticket base, and I know most of these WS tickets are going to wind up with Eric Soderholm and people of his ilk, looking for $1000 to sit way up behind a post in the corner. Long term effect? Give me a scenario where it will drive season ticket sales down?

No matter how they sell these tickets, they will wind up in the hands of the highest bidder. Some will value the experience over money and attend the games, some will value money over the experience. No matter how you spin it, the Sox are taking a cut of that fact. It could be argued that by selling first to this year's season ticket holders and second to next year's season ticket holders, they are doing their best in make tickets available to the true fan. A phone in process, waiting in line, etc. favors the pros whose job it is to procure tickets. The brokers have the systems in place to snag tickets to everything. I can't think of a better process. If you are a "true fan" buy a season ticket package.

OMG, the Sox are trying to maximize revenues! The bastards. f*** them. I'm going to root for a team that doesn't care about revenues and just wants to be certain the tickets get to the really die hard fans. A team that would make you take a test before being considered for tickets. Then a careful background check to root out any "new fans". I have ticket stubs dating back to the mid 70s, any of you Johnny come lately bandwagon jumpers from '83. '93, or '00 better line your asses up behind me. I'm a real fan, I have over 18,000 posts. Shall we turn on Soxtalk members who joined in 2004? Where were they when the board was struggling? Damn bandwagon jumpers.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Oct 18, 2005 -> 09:09 AM) If you are talking in general terms, then no, I dont believe that humanely killing an animal for use(whether it be bait, meat, all around products) is a bad thing. It has happened throughout time. All animals need to eat, which involves the death of another plant or creature. If we are still talking puppies and sharks, then I am very against it on the grounds that it is finning the sharks more than it is a dog as bait. And under no circumstances ever would I support a live animal as bait, that is cruel and unusual punishment. So if the shark is humanely processed, not drowned, would the dead dogs be ok as bait? I agree in most cases live animals for bait is cruel. The one case I can think of is a no longer widely used practice of penning up a rabbit to attract predators. The rabbit is generally safe from the predator. The rabbit is later eaten by the hunters, however, for a brief while, it is bait. Now tapes and recorded calls are substituted.

QUOTE(fathom @ Oct 18, 2005 -> 08:52 AM) This is one of the worst pieces of s*** I've ever read. While I agreed with a lot of what he said when the Sox were struggling, this seems like an article written by someone desperate to piss of White Sox fans. http://www.suntimes.com/output/mariotti/cst-spt-jay18.html Jay is wrong as always, let's count the mistakes in his column. This is a Sox town. More Cub fans than Sox fans in Chicago? What an idiot. There have always been more Sox fan, Jay must be smoking something. More Cub fans around the world? He mustn't travel much, the Sox have way more fans than the Cubs in all corners of the world. Again, Jay the idiot. The city is united. We are happy for all those Cub fans rushing to buy Sox stuff, especially tickets. Maggs and Showalter will send Ozzie a Christmas card, Cub fans aren't bitter about the Sox success, Sox fans wanted a rested Clemens and Oswalt, we didn't want the Astros to be extended, we wanted them to win last night. The world wouldn't care if the Cubs were in the World Series, we're the American Fairy Tale, not the Cubs. Ozzie never trashed Wrigley and fanned flames during the crosstown series, every Cub fan will root for the Sox over the Cards, just like we would root for the Cubs over the Twins. Jay, what an idiot.

The first year I bought Bulls season tickets was to see the All-Star Game. I was undecided about future seasons. I wound up keeping them, and having them during the championship runs. The team has an entire staff to try and sell season tickets. They should use every tool imaginable to sell them. Corporations who buy the tickets will use them to entertain clients. It's all good. It beats a "who is the most loyal fan" contest.

How is an accountant taking a position with another company, perhaps someone with a strong client following, different than a player? MLB is their industry. Take Buerhle for example, he grew up a Card fan. With the draft, most players have their teams chosen for them. They are tied up for several seasons, regardless of where they want to live or who they want to play for. Then, they are suppose to show loyalty to the company that drafted them, or who traded for them? I would argue that the accountant who interviewed and accepted a position at his own free will, should show more loyalty than a ball player who was drafted. The player may have never had a chance to choose. The accountant may take key clients with him, harming the company that paid him to develop that relationship.

Finning is another deplorable practice. But again, are what we are really debating is how best for humans to kill other species for our use? Should we really be outraged at killing dogs and using them for bait? As far as humanly killing the dog, they could use a a smaller version of the device they use to kill cows. Basically use a spring loaded device to drive a bolt into the cow's skull. Bullets, chemicals, etc. are way to expensive to use. Am I turning anyone towards becoming a vegetarian? In a modern facility, an animal is killed every three seconds.