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QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 16, 2005 -> 11:31 AM) Right, wrong or indifferent, it happens. Look around the league and you will see that certian teams have clumps of players from certian agents. Do you really think that is because they went out and asked all 30 teams for the best offer, and it just happened that everytime it was the same team who made the highest bid? And I honestly believe if Frank was a greedy SOB he would have left Chicago a long time ago. There was plenty of more money out there are various times, and I have no doubt that if he is a FA after 2005 someone will offer him more money than the Sox again. I also believe unless the Sox offer is a complete joke, Frank will take it, and Tellum will tell him it is a good idea. It does happen that a great working relationship allows the team and agent to negotiate fair contracts and players cluster. Boras' relationship with the Tigers greatly helped Maggs. If that is your new position, I agree. If you are claiming that Tellum should or would tell Frank to sign for less with the Sox *because* the Sox signed Giambi, I still disagree.

Honestly there were many times on my motorcycle I wish I had one. Since the motorcycle doesn't have the mass of a car, the lights would never change. More than once, when the intersection was clear, running a red light was the only answer. Or the right turn on red, through a parking lot, method.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 16, 2005 -> 10:46 AM) Oh heck no, but as long as we can get this guy out, I am all for it. I am surprised. As someone in the business world, I figured you'd understand the "its not what you know" part of sports business. I know the system works when people uphold their moral and legal obligations. Tellum cannot be selling one client short to advance another. Yes, this does signal and confirm the excellent working relationship between both parties. If Frank has to question if his agent is looking out for Frank, or paying back a favor to the club, the system doesn't work. Come on SS, you know that's correct. Let's consider this for a moment. IIRC Frank on more than one occasion has expressed frustration with his contracts. Some fans would even go so far as to call him a cry baby and whiner. I wonder what a different agent, and different contracts, would have done for Frank's attitude, and by extension, his performance on the field?

How about this one JR is thinking, "I'm going to offer Frank more because Tellum delivered Giambi to us and I like working with him" You know scratching the back and all

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 16, 2005 -> 10:40 AM) How is that violating his duties? Borass does that all of the time. He took less realized money from the Mets for Beltran instead of going to Houston. Does that mean we can get Scotty disagented? Because in your scenario he's telling Frank to take less because the Sox signed Giambi. Glad to see you are now a Borass fan.

Tellum would be violating his duties as FRANK'S Agent if he does that. Are you saying that Tellum should do that? Define lowball for Frank? I'll bet we see numbers from $500,000 to $6 million that people consider "low ball"

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 16, 2005 -> 10:12 AM) So I guess that means you are guarenteeing he won't have his 3rd season ending injury in 6 years? And he won't have the huge slump from his numbers as he recovers from injury as he has historically? You can ignore the reality only so far in your love for Frank. Read the thread title. This is about Giambi signing as a way to get Frank to end his career in a Sox uniform. Couple thoughts: Fans will say Frank is a bum if he turns down a Sox offer, no matter how small. They will turn on him if he turns down $2mil to accept $4mil from someone else. Fans demand loyalty from the players while not demanding the owners show any. JR has shown a willingness to allow players, no matter how "special" to leave if it doesn't fit with current team plans. Signing Giambi will not have any effect on Frank's decision. I have been very consistent that every player and every team has to negotiate in their best interest. Negotiate hard, accept the deal that is best for you, and later, suck it up and live with those terms. If that means Frank ends his career as a pitch hitter for the Dodgers, then so be it. If that means the Sox decide that Frank no longer fits in their plans, so be it. My love for Frank? In a nut shell. If Frank was half the leader and club house guy as he is a player, the Sox would have at least another post season appearance at at least one playoff series win. I think he is awful as a leader, moody, and one of the reasons our attendance is down, while the Cubs are up. Sammy blows kisses, hops, and "hugs" the fans. Frank sulks, signs contracts he later regrets, and is inconsistent with the greatest source of advertising to the club, the reporters.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 16, 2005 -> 09:58 AM) I am not sure where you are going but.... Unless Frank retires as a White Sox of his own free will, this place will go up in flames. It will be UGLY. Even if it means giving up Konerko?

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 16, 2005 -> 09:47 AM) Who said they have no problem with it? I did.

The first step on the road to ruin, a working government

"Otis! My Man!" "Can we dance with yo dates?"

The mom must be heartbroken and probably beating herself up for being late.

What is alarming to me is all the money we borrow from around the globe. The same countries that would not send troops to Iraq, are happy to lend us money so we can go there ourselves. The rest of the world saves, while we spend and bankrupt ourselves. Bush and the GOP just keep spending and spending and cutting taxes. Let's all take pay cuts and max out credit cards! Then when the economy is "stimulated" we'll all make more money. Don't let the government spend more than we send them.

Intersting the people here who called Maggs a selfish, greedy, MF for becoming a free agent and NOT showing any LOYALTY. Suddenly don't have a problem with dumping Frank if it means helping the team. LOL. You guys kill me.

Jay's Column

QUOTE(The Critic @ Mar 16, 2005 -> 09:26 AM) "....this one goes to 11....." I find myself quoting that and people around me giving me a blank look.

QUOTE(retro1983hat @ Mar 16, 2005 -> 09:09 AM) Billy Goat: s***ty, crappy, overpriced, miniscule burgers. f*** Sam Siannis and his uncle's dumb curse. I think the reason I would not want the Cubs to ever win has more to do with not wanting to see that old bastard and his girlfriend (some goat they got from Lincoln Park Zoo), than anything about the baseball team. The popularity is mostly from the SNL bit with Belushi, Akroyd and company. Cheeseburger, Cheeseburger, Cheeseburger, no fries, cheeps, no Coke, Pepsi!

QUOTE(mreye @ Mar 16, 2005 -> 08:56 AM) Exactly! It's a cut in the program's annual budget increase. Not an actual cut! Call me a synic, Tex. It's the truth. Where does it say it is a cut in the increase? Even if it is a cut in the increase, inflation and needs increase, so it would still be a cut.

QUOTE(Wong & Owens @ Mar 16, 2005 -> 08:34 AM) I don't believe the book contains a lick of anti-Catholic "prejudice," but if it does, well, payback's a b**** ain't it? In Catholicism there are Capitol "T" Traditions that are bedrock matters of faith and there are small "t" traditions that are more transitory, and have changed through the years. This book challenges some of the Traditions of Catholic faith. The Virgin Mary is one of them. Jesus not marrying is another. IIRC the book also questions Saints and their roll in faith. I would also assume that it challenges Peter and his roll. For those wondering small t traditions would be things like the frequency of receiving communion. That has gone from at every opportunity to once or twice in a lifetime (preferably near death), to daily. Another one is Priests being allowed to marry. That was changed a few hundred years ago.

As part of a broader question, can someone read, view, or listen to, unhealthy messages as part of research, or questioning, and not be harmed? Pete Townsend was busted for looking at child pornography, he claimed was for a project. Someone at the Vatican must have read the book to form an opinion, were they harmed? Could a loyal Sox fan spend the summer as a Cubs fan to see what it's like?

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Mar 16, 2005 -> 01:49 AM) Congress has better things to do. Unless the cops or the feds want to arrest these guys for steroids. Otherwise, leave this to major league baseball for christ sake. Plus for cripes sake, why put Thomas and Schlling in the same group with all these guys accused of being on roids. A very high profile American industry may have been systematically violating federal drug laws. Seems like a good place for congress to take a look. Thomas and Schilling are examples of how to do it right. That should come out in the coverage. I would want a "victim" to come forward. Mr. Thomas you finished second in the MVP voting to a known steroid user, do you feel cheated? Powerful message.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 16, 2005 -> 07:36 AM) [Too bad there is no liberal media to investigate this miscarriage of justice. They are all busy reading internet message boards so they can write their stories

Let Our Requests Be Known By Donna Kay Heath Service had started, and the minister began his sermon in our small country church in southeastern North Carolina. Everyone's attention was on the intense words being delivered to us that would feed us for the week and enlighten us on God's word. Because our church was so small, there was no nursery. This gave me the privilege of having my active three-year-old daughter sit with her father and me. Along with being active, Tammie had a gift for words - that is, speaking them - and had not yet mastered the art of understanding that quietness was of the utmost importance in church, especially when the Sunday morning sermon was being delivered! After many admonishments to be quiet, Tammie's father picked her up to take her outside for a little conference. This was not the first time such an event had taken place, and she understood its significance. She also obviously understood the significance of prayer! For as her father picked her up and was walking down the aisle to carry her outside, Tammie reached over his shoulders with her arms outstretched to the congregation and the minister. She then proceeded to call out to all who would listen, "Ya'll pray for me!" Needless to say, it was a few minutes later before we could get back on track with the sermon. Guess it proves we are never too young to "let our requests be known"!

Before the sick dentist thread gets hijacked too far