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I'm certain I4E will agree we need to stop Israels weapons program along with the Arabs. How many countries do we need to invade until we feel safe? China? Korea? Russia? France? Israel?

I agree. I am not judging all US Troops by the actions of a few. You seemingly think US Troops have never made a mistake, never murdered innocents. Civilians die in wars. Sometimes it is unavoidable, sometimes it is a honest mistake, and other times it is murder. The murders must be punished. By punishing those who commit these crimes, we are supporting the men and women of the highest moral code who respect their uniform, respect their flag, and respect their country and all it stands for. If we turn our heads, we are disrespecting the soldiers with integrity who are sickened by these actions. When we read things like soldiers reporting being raped, we support our Troops by speaking up. Not to disrespect the entire military, just the rapists. When I read suicides are at an all time high, I didn't write all my elected leaders to disrespect the military, just to make certain those Americans and others who volunteered to serve, were getting the best treatment we can offer. If I read reports that US Troops are given orders to commit what seems to be war crimes, I object out of respect for the men and women who do not want to commit these crimes. And the same applies for the liberals. It's the damn liberals who work hardest to make certain we aren't blowing up people needlessly. Too many people believe support our Troops means send them anywhere to die. I think that's bull s***. When we put 19 year old men and women in s***ty situations, we can expect s***ty results. Our volunteer Army should only face war and the deaths that result from war, as a last resort.

I have to agree with I4E in that. In Arab countries they are teaching now that there were no Arabs on the 9/11 planes. Generations of Arabs are growing up "learning the truth" that Jews committed 9/11 and the US was in on it with them. I would guess similar slanted history is being taught on the other side. With each passing generation, the populations of the middle east grows further and further apart. Anyone want to guess when they start lobing nukes at each other? At this time I do not believe either side really knows the truth, perhaps no one does.

Of course you don't get it. Let me try and explain. Because that's what makes our country great. Don't like slavery? Work to stop it. Don't like alcohol? Work to abolish it. Think we need better security at airports? Work to improve it. Think we are sending our Troops off to die for someone's vanity or election? Work to stop it. Think we are destroying our resources with pollution? Work to stop it. Debate is what keeps our country improving. We don't just get in step and swallow whatever Washington says. No one is going to be 100% happy with any country. Using your logic, don't bother to vote because you will love anything that happens.

How soon we forget Oklahoma City. Why do we allow people from Michigan to freely roam this country? You know they are planning another attack. We need a president who will act on this and put a damn fence up along the southern border.

Of course kill them all. And to protect Oklahoma we better kill everyone in Michigan. To protect kids we better kill every birthday clown who does contruction

Your right Nuke. God placed the US on this planet to kill people when ever and where ever we like, and damn anyone who thinks otherwise. Our miltary is f***ing perfect. Loaded with perfect people, who never lie or make mistakes. Of course you've been to all these places and witnessed it first hand.

Cheat, With the Ronco version you get a free Pocket Fisherman. That seems to be missing from your kit.

The enormity of this human tradegy may never be known. I wonder how many more people will die before this is over.

I was LMAO

Perhaps the greatest of all time

Dallas fans everywhere would rejoice if Joey found a new home.

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How happy are you?

'Worse than mutilation, beating' March 13, 2004 BY DAN ROZEK Staff Reporter Advertisement Wearing only a soiled diaper, a shriveled and severely malnourished Seamus Leonard lay curled on a dark blanket in a room filled with trash when rescuers arrived at his Crystal Lake home, McHenry County prosecutors said Friday, offering a judge photos that depicted the teen's appearance. The 15-year-old boy, who suffered from cerebral palsy, wasn't breathing when paramedics answering a 911 call found him early Thursday morning. But as disturbing as Seamus' death was his physical condition: He weighed only 23 pounds and was so malnourished that his body was little more than a gaunt skeleton covered by skin. "It's the most heart-wrenching condition of a victim I've seen in this county. It's worse than a mutilation or a beating,'' McHenry County State's Attorney Gary Pack said after the boy's mother appeared in court to face charges in his death. Seamus' mother, Katherine Leonard, has been charged with felony involuntary manslaughter, although Pack said the charges against her may be upgraded to murder. An autopsy done Friday indicated the boy, who was 3 feet 11 inches tall, died of pneumonia, although he also was severely malnourished, McHenry County Coroner Marlene Lantz said. On Friday, McHenry County Judge Gerald M. Zopp set bail for Leonard, 44, at $1 million. She remained under a suicide watch late Friday in the McHenry County Jail. Leonard, who was in the midst of a divorce and raising six other children along with Seamus, is being held in isolation and is expected to undergo a psychological evaluation, jail officials said. Her husband -- and the father of all seven children -- hadn't lived at the home since May 2003, according to documents in the couple's divorce, which was filed last October and is still pending. Leonard's other children, who range from 3 to 17 years old, have been placed with other relatives by the state's Department of Children and Family Services. None appeared to be malnourished or in ill health, Crystal Lake police and DCFS officials said. Zopp also issued an order barring Leonard, if she posts bail, from having any contact with her remaining children. Prosecutors contended during the bond hearing that Leonard arrived home from one of her two jobs early Thursday morning and found that Seamus wasn't breathing. But, prosecutor Robert Beaderstadt alleged, she waited for between 30 and 60 minutes -- until about 6:35 a.m. -- before she called 911. Leonard worked at a Crystal Lake discount store and also delivered newspapers early in the morning to help make ends meet. She had just returned from delivering papers Thursday morning sometime between 5:30 a.m. and 6 a.m. Thursday when she found Seamus lifeless, authorities said. The two-story Colonial home where the family lived was filthy when authorities arrived. It was declared uninhabitable. "The house was severely strewn with debris, garbage, feces and food particles,'' Beaderstadt said. What remains unclear is how and why conditions in the home became so filthy. A DCFS worker visited the home on Jan. 9, 2003, and found no signs the boy was being abused or neglected, DCFS spokeswoman Jill Manuel said. "The house was clean and everything seemed fine,'' Manuel said. "It seems something went terribly wrong in the last 15 months.'' Leonard allegedly hadn't taken Seamus to see a doctor in two to three years, officials said, and he hadn't been to any type of school in as long as two years. Seamus apparently was "fed occasionally,'' usually pudding or ice cream, Pack said, citing statements the other children gave to investigators. A neighbor, who asked not to be identified, said several of the Leonard children she saw during the last few months often looked "unkempt'' or wore "beat-up'' clothing, but did not appear to be mistreated. "They needed to have their hair brushed,'' said the neighbor. She described the kids as "sweet'' and said it seems like the youngsters "tried to look out for each other.'' :fyou :puke

I am so glad that none of the UT Pan American biggest rivals are on this board.

I believe Exmoor Country Club hosts some tournaments each year. About a dozen years ago I watched a Championship tournament. Very fun. Everyone seemed to be having a lot of fun.

Linky to NY Retreats I love to go backpacking. I love to be 5 miles from a road. No electronics, just nature and me. One of my favorite spots in Big Bend. About a 2 hour hike with packs. Deer everywhere. Amazing views.

We did in 1961. Grobstein has a Pettit audio clip of the final 20 seconds vs. the Red Wings and an interview with Bobby Hull on his web site. Amazing how gentile the locker room was.

This may crush the Illini fans on the board

Jim, I don't like seeing it as a paperweight on Rumsfeld's desk. In a museum or some other public memorial, yes. I don't see you or I dropping by Rummy's office. For thousands of people, that is their grave. We never found most of the victims. To me every bit of the building, planes, etc. is sacred. A lot of my attitude comes from a conversation I had one night with a veteran of WW2. I was participating in a "live aboard" program on the USS Lexington. He mentioned all the young men who had died on that ship and whose remains were either never found or buried at sea. Just like you wouldn't want someone spitting gum on your grave, the same holds for areas like this. It's a matter of respect. Maybe I'm old school on this.