Texsox

I had to listen to the game on MLB radio, but the ninth sounded pretty sweet.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 7, 2012 -> 07:07 PM) Yes. If Kenny Williams was told to cut payroll by $25 million this year, and there is any chance he would be given only 1 year to see the rebuilding process through, that would reflect very bad on ownership. Very few teams can cut that kind of payroll while playing for "That year". You can't demand those 2 things and be a fair owner. Firing the GM for not winning enough games after forcing that level of payroll cut would just be ridiculous. You can't ask him to plan for the long term and then fire him based on short term performance. If they were going to fire him, then it should have been after last season. If he's retained for this year, then you need at the very least 2 years of evaluation to see where the rebuilding process will go. 3 would be much more sensible. But really 100 loses? Are you still standing by that number? In 110 years of White Sox baseball that has happened maybe three times. And not in 40+ years. I think 90 loses and he's fine with some glimmer of hope. But 100 loses, there better be some really good reasons why they would play that poorly without some heads rolling. That would probably mean they are the worst team in baseball. And even with the trimming of the payroll, they still are higher than a lot of teams. You are talking historic worst season, not just a bad season. Wouldn't it be the worst season during JRs ownership? I agree that there needs to be some glimmer of improvement, but I doubt he can withstand a 100 loss season. 72-90 looks bad enough but 62-100 and keeps his job? I'm not certain you can lose 100 games and show improvement. But I doubt this team will lose 100 games, so the debate is kind of silly.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 7, 2012 -> 07:00 PM) If he gets fired this year, it would reflect very, very badly on ownership, IMO. After a 100 loss season!? One year removed from a season that you said was a different manager away from being a playoff team? The majority of fans here believe this is a .500 team. They go out and are a .333 team, they will lose fan support left and right, and JR will be forced to end the Williams era. It will reflect very badly on management if he doesn't fire his GM.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 7, 2012 -> 04:03 PM) If the Sox lose 100 games this year but Vicideo, Morel, and Beckham show promise in the 2nd half, and Sale gets to 150 innings while healthy, and Peavy and Dunn and Rios are traded, that is a successful year. Sure, and JR will reward the front office and Scouts with nice bonuses. They lose 100 games with a team that KW is 100% responsible for, he's gone.

I thought someone might think that which is why I added the sub title. My daily quote email mentioned his career start and I spent an hour or so reading some of his stuff.

Ever sportscaster who criticizes the Sox gets blasted. Cowley does it the most, so he gets blasted the most.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 7, 2012 -> 01:05 PM) That standard though cannot be wins and losses, not after $25 million in salary cuts. That standard is all about development and setting up for 2013. Wins and losses has to be part of the mix. That is one yardstick that the team is measured against. It isn't the only, or perhaps the best for this season, but it has to be in the mix.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 7, 2012 -> 11:08 AM) Is anyone else in favor of just one "Joe Cowley b****es about the White Sox" omnibus thread? Personally I am f***ing sick of the agenda, and would love to see it not pollute anymore threads than it has to The thread should be how responsible is Williams for this season and is his job on the line. So far that seemed to be the thread. I don't think it really matters who brings it up.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 7, 2012 -> 11:06 AM) Cowley needs everyone to forget that the goal this year is rebuilding from last years debacle of a manager who had quit on his team. It's the only way he can call for KW to lose his job this year, when the years goal should really be rebuilding and recovering. So you get articles like this saying kw needs to be gone if the team isn't competitive and statements about how we need to forget all the previous staffs failures while still believing every negative thing the previous staff says about kw. The bodies that were in front of KW were Walker and Ozzie. This isn't his first year in the organization. There are very, very few players that were here when he arrived. He can't duck responsibility for this season. The standards may be lower, but they have to meet some standard.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archiv...-the-game/8909/

QUOTE (Reddy @ Apr 7, 2012 -> 10:50 AM) except i don't think this year has any bearing on KW's tenure. we're not expected to compete, so if we don't, he's still fine... There also has to be some sign the team will compete as it follows K-Dubya's new plan. They can't go out and lose 90 games and show no signs of getting anywhere from here.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2012/04/post_5.html a good start So many career highlights including a Pulitzer Prize. Definitely a Chicago treasure. I really appreciate his quote about dying . . .

QUOTE (Wanne @ Apr 6, 2012 -> 11:07 AM) That's probably the best analogy I've ever heard!... Thank you.

He also mentions the team being a .500 ship. About right by most fan's expectations. This may be one area that Cowley's personal agenda may mirror the majority, K-Dubya is under the microscope. With all of the poster children for blame gone, Oz and Walker, he's next.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 5, 2012 -> 03:32 PM) I was thinking exactly that. Then I thought "He did that on purpose". I actually posted West first, then started laughing. Perry 2016

I am certain the Marlin fans are enjoying Ozzie just like we did his first few seasons. In a world where public figures are trained to say a lot without saying anything, I appreciate Ozzie's candor and willingness to not duck behind no comment and cliches. But let the rest of the world have him now. It's like listening to Richard Pryor Live on the Sunset Strip, it may be the greatest of all time, but if you listen to it 1,000 times, it loses it's spontaneity and freshness. Soon you think Pryor sucks and wonder how you ever liked it. Same with Ozzie. I hope that somehow Oz becomes likable again. There was a stretch there where he was fun, and entertaining. Perhaps even a better than average to great manager. I'd like to embrace those moments again.

Thank you, I threw up my breakfast thinking about our drafts

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Apr 5, 2012 -> 03:11 PM) I assume someone is a Long Beach State fan. Dirt Bag is a compliment in relation to a baseball team. Thank you for the Californian to English translation dude

I thought it was nice that we closed our schools today for the opener.

So, entertain me

I bet you thought I would say Perry

IMNSHO Allen West

Morel

Dunn