Texsox

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 3, 2010 -> 06:11 PM) Wow. I guess the guys out of the Chicago Machine aren't used to being reported on. is this some local angle I'm not understanding? I heard a report this morning that the CTS facility in Elkhart is worried because CTS ? Canda built many of the systems in question and if CTS is in trouble, it could trickle to them.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Feb 4, 2010 -> 04:40 PM) That is simply not true. Sometimes they do not want to allocate the money in their budget for a college graduate, so they simply do not respond to college graduates who apply. I cannot tell you how many positions I applied for after graduating with a law degree, only to be told, "you are vastly over-qualified, sorry." They are afraid to offer the job to you even if you accept a lower salary to start because these things usually have a habit of coming back up again when it is time for raises or promotions. Why would someone with just a high school diploma work for less money than someone with a college degree? And what position was it that they refused to look at college grads?

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Feb 4, 2010 -> 01:08 PM) Yes, I would. Everybody did at the time, in fact. No, not everyone. Not even close. So what did people do to try and stop him? Show me where someone took him serious and proposed how he should be stopped from doing that? Rex, you're making a paper tiger here.

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 4, 2010 -> 01:44 PM) Exactly, one thing that pissed me off to no end was I had to take 3 extra hours of ANYTHING (meaning 1000 level courses) because I had taken too many journalism classes. I was a journalism major. It was the stupidest s*** I've ever seen. Seems like an editor would like you to know something about the story you are covering. So if, for example, the story was on a bio science, having a reporter who took a biology class would be kind of useful.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Feb 4, 2010 -> 01:39 PM) If it means the HS degree will do the same work for less money... If they did get the HS grad to work for less, that means they offered it to a college grad first who turned it down. I'd still rather have the offer and turn it down, then not get an offer. And I believe that proves 2K5's point, you make more with the college degree.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 4, 2010 -> 01:33 PM) I'll bet is isn't venison jerky though... no, but one of my barely passing student, who is now getting a high A, brought in some venison back strap from a deer he harvested. Awesome.

I love living in Texas. The band is selling jerkey and beef sticks as a fund rasier.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 4, 2010 -> 07:57 AM) That's not what I asked Tex. I asked what careers are still out there where you can get a good job WITH a college degree. All of them. Name one where a college degree excludes you? I can't think of a scenario where the people with the college degree will be lined up behind someone without one.

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Feb 4, 2010 -> 09:35 AM) Rick Perry at a Teabagger event, in response to a reporter's question on April 15. That reads like some Seinfeldesque material there! More sarcasm and satire to me. Do you really take those comments seriously?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Feb 4, 2010 -> 06:45 AM) I simply don't know how you can say this with any certainty. This is what we have been told for years, but it simply does not seem to be bearing itself out in practice. Many employers would rather take a less-educated empoyee on at the most entry level position and pay him less. Try having an advanced degree and applying for jobs only requiring BAs and listening to them tell you how overqualified you are, even when you are willing to negotiate salary within their given range. I will give my #1 reason why it is and will be better to have a college degree. You will have more choices in careers to pursue. Without a degree, any degree, there will be less. I have never heard of a job that college grads were excluded, I have seen where a college degree was required to be included. If you are only measuring your career in dollars and cents, then perhaps, in some cases, you would be correct.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Feb 3, 2010 -> 11:43 PM) I agree with a lot of this is general. Many jobs that require a college degree do not require any particular skills learned in college, but rather, some degree of common sense. Unfortunately, employers often use a college degree as a minimum threshold for common sense, which couldn't be more inaccurate. Or as an indicator that the employee will invest in themselves, have the ability and drive to go beyond the minimum. Have the credentials to get accepted and complete higher education. When you have dozens or hundreds of resumes to sort through, it makes for a easy first step. Balta, the careers that usually pay well without a college degree would be in manufacturing, trades, sales (that's changing quickly). Law enforcement is starting to require college. There will be more opportunities and choices for people with degrees. The happiest people I know are the ones with the most choices. If someone wants to try to build a career with a four year head start instead of a degree, it's their choice. You could also drop out at 16 and take the GED.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 3, 2010 -> 05:33 PM) So has he redacted his statement yet? Between him, Emanuel, and Biden, its like they tried to honor Bush's tradition of public speaking. That is the tone down version. His prior comment was do not drive it.

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Feb 3, 2010 -> 04:43 PM) So you're saying, he was just pandering to the crazies? Even better reason to vote for him. Some would call it joking.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Feb 3, 2010 -> 04:39 PM) Again, where am I arguing anything should be free? The other point I am trying to get across here, is that if we continue down this path, it will not be the key to earning more in your life. It will be a wasted investment. Again I ask, what industry will those jobs in in? What jobs will offer decent wages without a college degree? Those jobs were manufacturing. Those are leaving in droves. I would like to agree with you, but I can't think of a job sector that will produce those jobs.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Feb 2, 2010 -> 03:58 PM) I guess you can ignore the fact that this particular circumstance kills the mother in many cases too. Mothers and fathers have risked their lives for their children. That use to be honorable.

I currently have a couple video clips, a few songs, several presentations, a letter of recommendation, and a few misc pictures. I was attending a workshop earlier and when the presenter offered anyone with a USB drive to come up and get a copy of some of the resources at least 75% of the room had them in their pockets.

QUOTE (G&T @ Feb 2, 2010 -> 12:52 PM) If you follow the link to the actual breakdown of results (here) you will see that the largest group asked was over 60 years old and from the south. The smallest by far was in the northeast. And that pretty well sums up the GOP strongest base right now.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Feb 2, 2010 -> 09:13 PM) Because it is critically important information if I'm going to be taken at all seriously as the New Cowboy in the upcoming Village People Revival Tour auditions. . . ?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 3, 2010 -> 04:17 PM) Not a chance. I'd bet the gap opens up, as less and less people are willing to hire those with a high school diploma. Especially when most of the work force has college degrees. Even if college degrees become a dime a dozen, it will be prefered to a High School diploma.

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Feb 2, 2010 -> 01:32 PM) Til you start throwing back clips of him saying secession of Texas is an option from last summer. How moderate is threatening to create a new civil war? I guess the people that actually took that seriously probably weren't making it to the polls anyways.

I am willing to learn here. I have seen most lower skilled jobs being outsourced to foreign counties. Those that believe they will do better without a college degree, please tell me what fields will be growing over the next 20 years? Where will the better paying jobs be that will not require a college education? That use to be manufacturing. Those jobs are leaving in a hurry.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Feb 3, 2010 -> 06:23 AM) Tex, How much did your tuition cost when you were in college? I just finished a degree this past spring, tuition was $5,000 a year. Public university in Texas. I stopped going to school in the 1980s because I thought I'd wind up earning more without it. The industry I was in changed, became more national corporates and less local control, and college degrees were required for almost every position. and 2K5 nciely played.

I am certain everyone here with degrees will encourage all of you to drop out of college. That way, years from now, we'll hear you b**** that you were denied a promotion because a college degree was required, or they won't even interview you. Meanwhile, those with degrees will be promoted and interviewed. The choice is yours. And college is not just a path for your career. Some people actually value education for education's sake. I could write a scenario where the kid that dropped out of high school winds up managing the college grad, but that isn't reality and hasn't been for a long time. Check the want ads, without a degree of any kind, you will not be considered for positions. Why start a job search by eliminating possibilities? And at least in my corner of Texas, you will not be a bank manager without a degree. That's a minimum.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Feb 2, 2010 -> 02:23 PM) These universities should not be entitled to build up annuities in the hundreds of millions or even billions while charging students outrageous tuitions to try and contribute to the economy and have a successful career. Actually much of that comes from donations. By spending the interest and not the principle, the university is helping to assure their future. It really is better than having them spend the principle.