Texsox

I did a couple Applebees Bahama Mommas while my g/f went with the perfect margarita while watching Tech get their asses kicked by OU. I'm liking rum. I do not feel qualified to post in the drunk thread.

This seems like a major outage, my son had problems down here in south Texas. I was fine with T-Mobile. So, no, dumb ass, I CAN"T hear you now

Man, I have to tell you, if I was watching, I'd be thinking hoax. Sad.

All that bulk rate mail keeps our regular rates lower.

I don't have a problem with the practice, it is legal. I do have a problem with some of the particulars.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 04:50 PM) That's why you only go as long as 4 years (preferably 3), play him for 1 year in LF then move him to DH in 2010 (assuming he's willing to make the move). This way you're risking maybe 1 or 2 years of 39/40 year old Manny quitting on your club because he's become so limited physically but even then; he'll be in a contract year and looking for his final deal, and NO ONE is going to want a 40/41 year old fat former superstar who can no longer play the field and is coming off a year in which he just didn't look like he gave a damn. Plus, I think Manny has a little more pride in himself and his legacy than to go out like that, like I said before, I just think he got too comfortable in Boston. I believe he truly loves the game (though he may not truly respect the integrity of the game which is a shame) and has about as much fun as anyone out there on the field, perhaps a bit too much fun at times. I believe we both are thinking the same thing, have the next to last Manny contract and you are probably safe. And the image of Buerhle and Manny cracking up warms my heart.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 04:23 PM) Yeah but even when Manny was at his supposed worst effort wise (July, 2008) he still put up a .347/.473/.587/1.060 line. I just think he got too comfortable in Boston, he thought he could take a few days off just because he felt like it in the middle of the season without repercussions but he was dead wrong. I don't remember him being a distraction during his 8 years in Cleveland when they went to the WS twice or a major problem when he was just being Manny during the Red Sox World Series run in 2004, when you're talking about adding an all-time great talent like Manny I think it's worth the risk. There are worse risks and the upsides are many. The last thing I like to take risks with are character issues. And by character it's not the laughing at the camera antics, it's the not giving 100% antics that concern me. He's a phenomenal talent, but in three or four years, physically, I could see him in a similar spot as Junior, and wondering if he would give the same effort? And before someone starts comparing Manny to Junior and saying it is an unfair comparison, insert the aging player of your choice and give him Manny's efforts. Manny will get older. He will decline physically, then desire, heart, and effort take over.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 03:49 PM) On a sidenote, giving up just one of Pelfrey or Martinez for Jenks and Javy would be highway f***ing robbery by the Mets. Theyd' be robbing the Sox blindly. How often have we read other teams boards and thought, the fans are f***ing nuts, no way the Sox would accept that. And I'm certain they look at ours and think the same thing sometimes.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 02:34 PM) NO, ideally I would like for him to dosappear. If it continues, then that is likely to happen. I am just putting this out there. Is he really a changed man? If so, that would be a good thing. If he is just doing this because now the 'house negro' is one of his own, then he is a hypocrite. Which is it? That's all I want to know. His behavior now is new territory. We all know his history, now we see the current. Where will the future be? Hopefully off of cable news shows and out of the newspapers. Hopefully he's there for you to complain about for a long time. Remember one man's hypocrite is another man's repentant.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 03:52 PM) If he's offered enough money over 3 or 4 years I think he'll jump at it, I just don't see any team (even the Yankees) giving Manny 6 years. Keep in mind, the offer that Manny flatout rejected from the Dodgers was only 2 guaranteed years at $22.5M per, that's a low ball offer for sure. Boras clients often have to settle for less than they demand at the opening of free agency, sure he's demanded 6 years now, just as Derek Lowe wants $16M, Jeff Weaver wanted 4 years 2 years ago and Kyle Lohse wanted $50M+ last year we'll see what they end up signing for in the end. Agreed. It seems that many GMs are hesitant to sign Manny for 4 or 5 years. But it will only take one to make his dreams come true. I still say whomever holds Manny's last contract is taking a huge risk. He has demonstrated the ability to play half ass more than other players, and much more than other superstars.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 03:37 PM) Thank you. The question you originally asked was... So no, people wouldn't be as excited about players from countries not known for having competitive baseball programs and producing Major League baseball players. That is not to say talented players cannot come from other areas - Jair Jurrjens and Matt Stairs are both from the Netherlands IIRC - but those players have a lot more to prove. Edit: And again, the Chinese basketball example is horrid. Just because the only Chinese NBA players you've ever heard of are Yao Ming and Yi Jinlian does not mean China as a whole takes basketball as a sport lightly. Comparing Chinese basketball to the NBA is like comparing Japanese baseball to MLB. Obviously the difference in talent is huge, and most Americans who can't cut it here could go to those other countries and do very well for themselves, but they still run programs that are competitive with other nations and are still capable of developing some great players. OTOH, talking about baseball in France is like talking about basketball in Antarctica or ice hockey in the Carribean. Horrible comparison. So you are excited about Cuban players because of the quality of play in Cuba? Cool. Thanks. You mentioned France was not considered a baseball country, my analogy then was based on my ignorance that China was to basketball what Cuba is to baseball. I felt that China's basketball was on par with French baseball certainly not as strong as Cuban baseball. Thanks for the correction.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 03:38 PM) the bigger question is the years and if you could get him to bight on a 3yr 75-80M deal you make the move, imo. Quentin/Manny/Thome/Konerko would be a sick 3-4-5-6. Manny on a three year deal would be interesting and I'd be down with that. Manny on his last contract, I'm not. Matter of fact, I'd love to have Manny on his next to last contract. I just doubt he will sign less than a 5 and more likely a 6.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 03:25 PM) I have not, and I've done 'em a bunch of ways. Deep fried, smoked, paper bagged, brined, and roasted over a campfire. Hip me to the trash can turkey. We've done this several times, always with some great results. It will take a little work to make the cooker. Start with a trash can or similar drum. In theory a galvanized coating would be dangerous, but I've known many people that use a new galvanized container. Fashion 4 tubes for charcoal out of hardware cloth/chicken fencing. They should be about the length of the cooking container. Hang them over the sides and equally spaced out on the inside. Now figure out a way to suspend the turkey in the middle. We've basically suspended a rod from a cross piece, but I've seen stakes driven into the ground as well. Use a chimney to light the charcoal, fill the tubes, place a pan under the turkey to catch the drippings and possible some meat, and cover. 3-4 hours for a medium size bird. I also witnessed someone basically turning a garbage can into a giant Dutch Oven and just piled charcoal around the outside and on the lid.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 03:25 PM) My problem is with your insinuation that people here have trouble coming to grips with this truth. I do not believe that insinuation was there, if it was, it was unintentional.

QUOTE (juddling @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 02:51 PM) Maroon 5 w/Rhianna If I Never See Your Face Again....i love that tune. Crushed me when i realized it was Maroon 5 Rhianna? Is that a cover?

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 03:08 PM) You're making blanket statements without any real evidence. No one rips a player for being represented by Boras, people hate Boras because he's a dirty mother f***er who loves to bend the rules and because of this the Sox refuse to sign his clients, nobody who I would call a knowledgeable sports fan rips on a player because he looks to make as much money as possible. I can't remember anyone hating on Crede because he was represented by Boras, there was a lot of frustration but no actual animosity towards him due to his representation. Hell Derek Lowe is represented by Boras and is looking for $16M a year, there's more than a few people on this board who have mentioned Lowe as a possible target of the Sox's this offseason and now that it looks like there's next to no chance of him coming here i don't see anyone going after Lowe, calling him greedy and cursing his name. Again, My point is baseball is a business and in fairness, fans should treat both sides equally in that. Dye possibly being traded seemed like a great example. Great individual, has been playing fairly well, accepted less to play for the Sox, basically been a perfect Sox player. No one, including myself, is suggesting the team should show any loyalty. Now when we look at some players and the contracts they are looking for, we should remember that. Many posters already do, some do not. I am surprised that caused controversy. If anything I expected a giant D'Oh!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 03:04 PM) I will shocked if one person changes their opinion of Joe Crede (good or bad) based on the contract he gets this off season. The only way that changes if he comes out and rips the White Sox for some reason this winter or spring. I only meant that we will have lost two starters this century, not that he would be treated the same way.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 02:55 PM) Whatever, you're just changing argument form post to post. Nobody here is rooting for Jermaine Dye to get traded because we want JD gone, his value has peaked and now we can something pretty good for him. I'm done. I am not changing. I pointed this out that baseball is a business and it should be considered a business for both sides. You just jumped to conclusions. You will be back we always come back

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 02:56 PM) What players? Magglio? Who else? The extenuating circumstances surrounding the Ordonez ordeal make it moot. It had nothing to do with him going elsewhere for more money, I think most people can wrap their minds around that and except it, it's the way the whole situation played out. And even after all that bulls*** I still don't think nearly as many people harbor ill-will towards Magglio as you make you seem. What players, how about every Boras client? I'm sorry, I thought I've read here that certain players were greedy, asking too much money, not caring about what their contract does for their team, etc. I stand corrected if no one can recall players being taken to task for their salary demands.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 02:50 PM) How many people hate Robin Ventura on this message board for leaving as a free agent? Just sayin. We haven't lost too many via free agency, so its been a short list. Maggs is about the only starter I can think of this century who bolted. Crede will be next. But I could also toss in the mix any player who looks for the biggest paycheck and we call them greedy. Talk about how they should look for a chance to win, etc. Read the Boras comments for examples. It's a business and we shouldn't ask one side (owners) to treat it like a business, then expect players to sign for less, be loyal, etc. thereby not treating it like a business.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 02:48 PM) Are we supposed to mourn the loss of Jermaine Dye instead of being excited about John Danks, Carlos Quentin, Dayan Viciedo, Gordon Beckham etc. etc.? Message to Jermaine Dye (if hes traded): Thanks so much JD, you've been huge for us the past 3 years and have shattered everyone's expectations of you. No matter what team you go to you'll recieve a standing ovation every time you come to the South Side. I hope you dont take getting traded personally, you know that baseball is a business and that sometimes you have to give up a pretty important piece to get something you really want in return. What I am saying (again) is we rip players who leave via free agency, call them greedy, etc. I think they deserve the exact same understanding we give the team when they trade someone. So while no one here is mourning the loss of Dye, neither should we get pissed when a player leaves on their own. You know the same feeling both ways. Tit for Tat. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I don't know how many different ways I can say it. This shows there are no loyalties in baseball. So fans should not expect loyalty from players and not teams. It's all a business.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 02:45 PM) When we took on Jermaine Dye he was an oft-injured OF who people were afraid of. Now he's one of the best offensive players in the AL (and the numbers back me up on this). And in his honor we should rename stuff like this Dye Posts, you know, outta right field . . .

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 02:41 PM) Are you kidding me? This is ridiculous, remember when we almost traded Dye to Boston but didn't because we weren't going to get the value we wanted for him? Baseball is a business, you can take your feel good s*** where you stick with players past their peak value and wonder a year from now what you were thinking and I'll take my stance of being proactive. I love Jermaine Dye, but we've got to do what's best for the team. I'm so so so so soooooooooooooo happy you dont run the White Sox. Then you are missing my point. I don't rip a player when they leave via free agency. I do realize it is a business and the business goes both ways. I'm glad someone who can read runs the Sox.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 02:38 PM) Why? Aren't you a proponent of what is done on the field is really all that matters? You can't argue his numbers. So what if he doesn't try all the time, right? He still puts up bigger numbers going half-assed than almost everyone else at full steam. And IMHO, This will be his last contract, he's asking long term and will get it *and* at a sizable per year You are correct, he goes half ass I predict, after signing his last contract that half assed will become 1/3 ass, then 1/4 ass etc. Too much money for a guy that as you said, plays half assed. As he gets older, he will need to be "all ass" just to come close to justify his asking price.

QUOTE (103 mph screwball @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 02:36 PM) Dye will be thought of highly here for decades. Because we dumped him. If he showed the same loyalty, and left on his own, we'd be talking Maggs level hate. /just sayin'