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Interesting read, thanks for posting.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 22, 2008 -> 10:30 AM) Reading the Konerko and Thomas threads was pretty humorous I must admit? The Jays were wrong for releasing a 39 year old Thomas, a notorious slow starter, yet we should bench/trade a younger/more productive (for the last few years) Konerko, who is a notorious slow starter. LOL. They are both highly paid and highy talented guys, who will both hit. Have some patience guys, and look at the histories of both of these players. But that really isn't any fun is it?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 22, 2008 -> 09:53 AM) The FLDS actively covered up abuse of abuse of children. The Catholic Church actively covered up sexual abuse of children. Seems related to me So have school districts, youth sport leagues, etc.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 22, 2008 -> 08:40 AM) Some players are actually worth more not playing than playing. Toby Hall for one. The thing about Frank is, it isn't about the playing time, trying to earn his money. Its about the money. If the option had already vested or Toronto said they would pick it up anyway, do you really think he would have made such a scene, and not even shook hands with his teammates after a victory? Frank's been banking on that $10 million. Now if he needs $10 million, he's going to have to play beyond 2009. I agree some guys may be worth more not playing, but they are still not earning their money sitting. Or a player would not be earning his money hitting .200 but could be earning his money batting .000 on the bench? That is one hell of a butt patter and cheerleader. The guys on the bench are like insurance policies, spare tires, personal flotation devices, life rafts, they are worthless until you need them. Then when you dust them off and use them, they earn their keep. And like those things, some poeple find that buying the best is a great value, some want to go cheap. And again using this analogy, a spare tire is much more valuable as a spare, it sucks as a replacement tire. So you would rather have it in the trunk then on the road. But that still does not mean it is earning its cost sitting in the trunk.

QUOTE (max power @ Apr 22, 2008 -> 07:25 AM) Some people here are under the misconception that joe isn't full of s*** when he says he and his people are open to contract talks. The double negative is confusing. You think he's full of s*** about being open to contract talks? I would say just the opposite. They are very open, as open as possible. To every team in baseball. And the team is open to contract talks with every 3b in baseball and any team that will give them something for Fields or Crede. Everyone looking out for their best interest.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 22, 2008 -> 08:16 AM) The first Clerks was SOOOO much better than the first. Its not even close. I can't believe I've never seen it. Based on your recomendation, it's on its way from netflix

While Americans always believe the only form of government involves freely chosen leadership, throughout history, people have lived very nicely with other forms of government. Problem is absolute power corrupts absolutely over time. Seems like these guys always go a little goofy.

I'd like to see numbers on who the GOP is supporting in the Dem primary and to what degree. My guess is Clinton, and they are probably mobilizing for a big turnout. They could be the swing votes in the Dem nomination.

What is really funny is the fans that will b**** that Crede leaves for the high bidder come from the same fan base that think he should be gone now. So when Crede should think about the fans, which fans are we talking about?

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Apr 22, 2008 -> 07:15 AM) Boras is a swell guy. I'd hire him in an instant.

Sometimes there are no human solutions to a problem.

Y'all realize most if this is fill-in-the-blank negotiating. The agent and team barely look up to see who they are talking about, and while they are doing that the player talks about how much he wants to stay in ____________ town. Marketing, positions, keeping the fan base happy. The player wants everyone to know how much he loves the fans in that town. The team wants the fans to know how hard they try and keep all the fan favorites. The agent looks at his paycheck and realized he is paid to be everyone's evil puppeteer. Meanwhile, the team is seeing if they can get the same or better productivity for less. (Agents helping) The player is seeing if he can get more from someone else. (Agent helping) And the agent smiles and collects his paycheck.

How can Philly not be a choice?

BTW, Based on the title, I thought it was Southsider's birthday

Two different concepts here. You are actually talking about comparative worth and if a team is over or under paying for the results. But regardless, fans are paying to watch people play baseball. That is what they come to the ballpark for. That is why they turn on the TV and radio and advertisers are there. To watch someone play baseball, not watching someone else watch a baseball game. So teams pay people to play. Is it worth $8,000,000 to have a guy hit .147? No, you could get a guy at the minimum to do that. but Is it worth $8,000,000 to have a guy slapping backs, patting butts, cheering? No, you can get people to pay to do that. You are really overpaying when you pay anything for those services. Just like your spare tire, a player only earns their money when they are playing, not sitting on the bench at any price. And just because I thought this was kind of funny. Imagine if they actually did sign guys to sit on the bench. Coaches meeting with the GM. "OK, the positions, rotation, and bull pen is set. Now we need four guys for the bench. Thoughts? "OO yes. I thought a couple of those Ultimate Fighter guys would be great. Pitchers would think twice before pitching inside if they knew we had that kind of muscle in the dugout." "I was thinking a couple jockeys. They would make our guys seem so much bigger and more intimidating". "I have a great idea! Mimes! Imagine trying to steal signals if we have a troupe of frickin' mimes in here! LMAO, I love mimes." Players are on the roster, and earn their money, for playing. Not working out. Not taking batting practice, not slapping butts. You and I could do that. They earn their money when they step on the field and compete. That is what the fans and advertisers are paying for. Watching guys play.

I just added Clerks to my netflix queue

QUOTE (shipps @ Apr 21, 2008 -> 08:55 PM) 1000.Now I can go to bed. everyone has done that at one time or another.

QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Apr 18, 2008 -> 02:12 PM) he drops an n-bomb noob? I can't tell you the last time I heard that in real life

QUOTE (jackie hayes @ Apr 21, 2008 -> 08:32 PM) So vampire players are cool, right? Just want to make sure all our beloved Pale Sox are okay. As long as they are playing I did think of one example. If Team A is picking up part of a player's contract who is now on Team B, then perhaps they are earning their money just be being gone, doesn't matter if they are playing or not. But if Team B is also paying him, then he needs to be playing to earn that money.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 21, 2008 -> 07:12 PM) Its a cute story, it still doesn't answer the question as to how stinking up the joint earns you at bats and earns you a $10 million option just because you were an MVP 14 years ago. Sammy Sosa hit .252 last year in 412 AB with 21 homers and 92 rbi. Pretty similar to Frank last year. He wanted $7 million or $8 million to play this year. He's not playing. Its not about being a cheerleader, its about a team needing to play its 9 best players at the time to win the game. I have no problem with Frank wanted to play, but sometimes he has to be realistic. How many o 0-fers until you get a break? Frank has been bad lately, so he has to sit. Take some extra hitting, make some adjustments and when you hit again, you play regularly again. I wasn't trying to answer that question. I copied your specific post twice now. That is what I am responding to. A player earns his money by playing. How much simpler can I make it? so If you are taking a shower after the game and the other players stare and say, why are you taking a shower? You didn't play! You might not have earned you money. If the trainer has not washed your uniform in two weeks. You might not have earned your money. If your career ending insurance premium is less than a McDonald's cheeseburger, you probably are not earning your money If the manager forgot your name because he hasn't penciled it in for a month, you probably have not earned your money If the equipment manager gives away your jersey number, you probably are not earning your pay. If your uniform has left a shadow on the back of the bench, you are not earning your pay. Anytime a player is not playing they are not earning their money. For whatever reason. Injury, poor play, manager doesn't like guys from Ohio, suspended for arguing balls and strikes, it doesn't matter. If they are not playing, they are not earning their money. If they started hiring sitters, then guys could earn money sitting. But they hire players. So if after this, you are still confused, reread your posts and my replies.

I didn't actually rank mine, it was just off the top of my head, not in order. Now I wish I had put them in order.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 21, 2008 -> 06:39 PM) It would be truly incredible if, somehow, Griffey and Thomas were inducted into the Hall in the same year. If that happened, it would probably be the second happiest moment as a baseball fan. And afterward the announcers mention that notably absent are Bonds, Sosa, and Mac

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 21, 2008 -> 05:32 PM) So long as he gets in before guys like Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, et al (if they get in at all), it'll be justified. You know, that is a great point, I forgot to include the anti-steroid crowd who will be voting for him. Actually that may put him in on the first ballot. Writers like sending a message.

Perhaps he would have smiled more if he had a syringe in his butt. The NL wroters will have a hard time voting for a DH. The AL writers will have a hard time voting for a bad interview. Second or third ballot.