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Y'all realize most if this is fill-in-the-blank negotiating. The agent and team barely look up to see who they are talking about, and while they are doing that the player talks about how much he wants to stay in ____________ town. Marketing, positions, keeping the fan base happy. The player wants everyone to know how much he loves the fans in that town. The team wants the fans to know how hard they try and keep all the fan favorites. The agent looks at his paycheck and realized he is paid to be everyone's evil puppeteer. Meanwhile, the team is seeing if they can get the same or better productivity for less. (Agents helping) The player is seeing if he can get more from someone else. (Agent helping) And the agent smiles and collects his paycheck.

How can Philly not be a choice?

BTW, Based on the title, I thought it was Southsider's birthday

Two different concepts here. You are actually talking about comparative worth and if a team is over or under paying for the results. But regardless, fans are paying to watch people play baseball. That is what they come to the ballpark for. That is why they turn on the TV and radio and advertisers are there. To watch someone play baseball, not watching someone else watch a baseball game. So teams pay people to play. Is it worth $8,000,000 to have a guy hit .147? No, you could get a guy at the minimum to do that. but Is it worth $8,000,000 to have a guy slapping backs, patting butts, cheering? No, you can get people to pay to do that. You are really overpaying when you pay anything for those services. Just like your spare tire, a player only earns their money when they are playing, not sitting on the bench at any price. And just because I thought this was kind of funny. Imagine if they actually did sign guys to sit on the bench. Coaches meeting with the GM. "OK, the positions, rotation, and bull pen is set. Now we need four guys for the bench. Thoughts? "OO yes. I thought a couple of those Ultimate Fighter guys would be great. Pitchers would think twice before pitching inside if they knew we had that kind of muscle in the dugout." "I was thinking a couple jockeys. They would make our guys seem so much bigger and more intimidating". "I have a great idea! Mimes! Imagine trying to steal signals if we have a troupe of frickin' mimes in here! LMAO, I love mimes." Players are on the roster, and earn their money, for playing. Not working out. Not taking batting practice, not slapping butts. You and I could do that. They earn their money when they step on the field and compete. That is what the fans and advertisers are paying for. Watching guys play.

I just added Clerks to my netflix queue

QUOTE (shipps @ Apr 21, 2008 -> 08:55 PM) 1000.Now I can go to bed. everyone has done that at one time or another.

QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Apr 18, 2008 -> 02:12 PM) he drops an n-bomb noob? I can't tell you the last time I heard that in real life

QUOTE (jackie hayes @ Apr 21, 2008 -> 08:32 PM) So vampire players are cool, right? Just want to make sure all our beloved Pale Sox are okay. As long as they are playing I did think of one example. If Team A is picking up part of a player's contract who is now on Team B, then perhaps they are earning their money just be being gone, doesn't matter if they are playing or not. But if Team B is also paying him, then he needs to be playing to earn that money.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 21, 2008 -> 07:12 PM) Its a cute story, it still doesn't answer the question as to how stinking up the joint earns you at bats and earns you a $10 million option just because you were an MVP 14 years ago. Sammy Sosa hit .252 last year in 412 AB with 21 homers and 92 rbi. Pretty similar to Frank last year. He wanted $7 million or $8 million to play this year. He's not playing. Its not about being a cheerleader, its about a team needing to play its 9 best players at the time to win the game. I have no problem with Frank wanted to play, but sometimes he has to be realistic. How many o 0-fers until you get a break? Frank has been bad lately, so he has to sit. Take some extra hitting, make some adjustments and when you hit again, you play regularly again. I wasn't trying to answer that question. I copied your specific post twice now. That is what I am responding to. A player earns his money by playing. How much simpler can I make it? so If you are taking a shower after the game and the other players stare and say, why are you taking a shower? You didn't play! You might not have earned you money. If the trainer has not washed your uniform in two weeks. You might not have earned your money. If your career ending insurance premium is less than a McDonald's cheeseburger, you probably are not earning your money If the manager forgot your name because he hasn't penciled it in for a month, you probably have not earned your money If the equipment manager gives away your jersey number, you probably are not earning your pay. If your uniform has left a shadow on the back of the bench, you are not earning your pay. Anytime a player is not playing they are not earning their money. For whatever reason. Injury, poor play, manager doesn't like guys from Ohio, suspended for arguing balls and strikes, it doesn't matter. If they are not playing, they are not earning their money. If they started hiring sitters, then guys could earn money sitting. But they hire players. So if after this, you are still confused, reread your posts and my replies.

I didn't actually rank mine, it was just off the top of my head, not in order. Now I wish I had put them in order.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 21, 2008 -> 06:39 PM) It would be truly incredible if, somehow, Griffey and Thomas were inducted into the Hall in the same year. If that happened, it would probably be the second happiest moment as a baseball fan. And afterward the announcers mention that notably absent are Bonds, Sosa, and Mac

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 21, 2008 -> 05:32 PM) So long as he gets in before guys like Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, et al (if they get in at all), it'll be justified. You know, that is a great point, I forgot to include the anti-steroid crowd who will be voting for him. Actually that may put him in on the first ballot. Writers like sending a message.

Perhaps he would have smiled more if he had a syringe in his butt. The NL wroters will have a hard time voting for a DH. The AL writers will have a hard time voting for a bad interview. Second or third ballot.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 21, 2008 -> 09:54 AM) I've never said there was anything wrong with wanting to play. No you did not and I did not respond to that. What you asked was So you are confused and I explained that for a player to earn his money, he needs to be playing, hence the term player. If you didn't have to actually play to earn your money, the bench players would be dressed more like cheerleaders. Which might not be a bad idea. I'm not saying that Frank should or should not be in the lineup. This applies to any player. Otherwise imagine this scenario back in 2005. You know who should get serious consideration for MVP? Brian Anderson. Here it is the ninth inning, it's been a long night here in Houston, Podsednik is at bat against Brad Lidge. Most bench guys would be sitting back on the bench, but Anderson is there, on the rail. He knows that Pods needs a little extra power, and he's right f***ing there, top step, all the way. All-Star move. Now watch, that ball leaves the bat and Anderson is really cheering. He knows that Pods should be batting and not him, so he's willing that ball out of the stadium. Damn, that is a HoF move right there. Look how he turns to Rowand and start hugging him and they sprint from the dugout, other bench players are still getting off their ass, but Anderson is half way to home and look at that skipping and leaping ability. HoF buddy. That nice clean uniform looks great next to the dirty one that Rowand is wearing. That is why Anderson should be earning $8,000,000 a year. So at Frank's salary, hitting .275, popping a few dozen home runs would be earning his salary. hitting .175, a dozen or two home runs, is not fully earning his salary, but waaay closer than cheerleader. Cheerleaders get paid squat and are usually a lot better looking.

QUOTE (NUKE @ Apr 21, 2008 -> 09:40 AM) So glad you approve. I just spent a year plus trading gunfire with them. So the US military bans Muslims from serving?

I was post #35 cool

BTW, just to be clear, the all mighty YANKEES are on tv twice this week, we are just the team they happen to be playing.

QUOTE (NUKE @ Apr 21, 2008 -> 09:25 AM) If you count number of times whining about money in the media or if you could somehow quantify causing problems in the clubhouse he'd be right on top of the heap. How's things in Toronto going? Oh wait........... Yet he never opted for free agency, where he would have made more. He always resigned with the Sox, showing an amount of loyalty unheard of with a potential HoF player. So I assume you prefer a guy like Maggs who didn't whine about the money, he did something about it and took the highest offer?

I was thinking that if the players definition of earning their money was expanded to mean, doing what is necessary to help the team win, and if that includes not playing, then the Sox owe me a boat load of money. By not playing, I am considerably helping their chances. Hell, Uribe can hit better then me.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 21, 2008 -> 08:59 AM) Maybe she was pissed off at the cult for something unrelated to what they were doing inside? Anger causes many lines to be blurred. Could be. She was calling a cult recovery mission run by a former member who called the police. I'm not certain if that will make a difference. I am interested in learning why this woman did not call the police directly.

Much different then I imagined. Still now it sounds as if they had some knowledge, but nothing "official", and used the false call to trigger an investigation. Hmm

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 21, 2008 -> 07:23 AM) Someone told me that it was a prank phone call that triggered these raids... Is this true? If it is, does that affect the legality of these raids? Can the cat be put back in the bag? Interesting. To kind of put it in more legal words, someone phoned in a tip that they may have thought was false, but it turned out to be true? I do not think we can base anything on thoughts, instead it has to be actions and what were actually the facts. That we can accurately determine with objective evidence. Regardless of their motive or beliefs, they called in a true report of crimes being committed. I have to believe that would be what stands. Now the really interesting thought would be could they be arrested for filing a false police report? If they believed it was false, isn't that what makes the difference?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 20, 2008 -> 10:36 PM) I'm confused as to how hitting like crap, but staying in the line-up so a $10 million option will certainly kick in is a sign of wanting to EARN his money. Simple. Sitting on the bench versus playing on the field. The people you see sitting on the bench with the ultra-clean uniforms are called coaches and earn considerably less. The people on the field are players. Coaches earn money by sitting on the bench and thinking, players earn money by being on the field and playing. My comment was Frank should want to be on the field, breaking through his slow start, instead of adopting an attitude of fine, pay me to sit on the bench and speed eatin' sunflower seeds, soaking up rays.

Obviously they had a liberal bias and needed to be shut down. That's how you handle this bias in the media j/k