Queen Prawn

I remember you mentioning this about your brother (not all the details, just the drinking and driving). Full disclosure for me: 1. Thursday marks the 25th anniversary of the death of my uncle - he was killed by a drunk driver. The other guy walked away without so much as a scratch. I was only 2, but as I got older, I became more and more angry about it because I never had the opportunity to meet him and I hear he was a great guy. For awhile I made up a fantasy in my head that he wasn't dead, just went away and that he would show up sometime to see my family. 2. My father was a drunk for the first 21 years of my life and if, and I thank the Lord every day he didn't, he had hurt my himself or someone else, I wouldn't have considered myself a victim of the establishment that served him, but a victim of his selfishness. I guess you could say I was lucky...not the right work, but the best I can come up with...that the places he frequented for the most part were 2 blocks away. I dealt with the embarassment of him walking...stumbliing, falling down, getting up to repeat that process until he got home every weekend. I would also stay up and sit in the window watching to make sure he and the family station wagon got home in one piece - not because I would have cared if he was hurt, I didn't want him to hurt anyone else. I've forgiven my dad, life is too short to hold the anger - I decided to take the time God has given my family and cherish it...not an easy conclusion to come to, but a necessary one.

Very good point.

I agree the Wild doesn't have a leg to stand on, but I don't think they should have to pay the drunk and his wife. Fine them and revoke their liquor license, or at least suspend it. There has to be a better way than letting someone profit from this kind of 'mistake.' I guess this part of the situation confounds me - people cry about how the government is too controlling over us, but then when we f*** up, we yell, why didn't you stop me! Let me reiterate that I think the law in question is a good think, I just think they need to make an addendum to it saying the drunk driver, themselves, cannot profit using this law as their case.

I was thinking about whether she is or not...and as for my own opinion, I don't know. To sort that out I ask these questions: 1) Does she have dependents? (Kids, parents they are caring for, etc) 2) How much financial support did he provide? 3) Where they happily married or at least a stable marriage - if they were separated, had a pending divorce or something along those lines, I would have to say no, she wasn't a victim unless kids were involved and then they would be the victims not her. 4) Has he been known to be a heavy drinker/alcohlic? If so, I think this completely eliminates 'victim.' I say this being that if my dad ever got into an accident before he dried out, I wouldn't consider my mom a victim because she knew his behaviors and thusly, what could happen as a result - muddled thinking I know... Looking at my questions, I guess it lands me right in the middle about whether she was a victim or not... I guess the courts will let us know what they think soon.

I just noticed this after reading through this thread a couple times - LMAO!!! Good one Tex!

Take away the liquor licence...or how they treat stores that sell liquor to a minor. The first time a fine, second time a fine and a suspension and the third time you are out (or that is how it was when I worked at a grocery store about 6 years ago...).

DAMN IT!! Stupid customers - I lost the additional post I was writing. Tex - I have nothing but respect for you as a poster, so please don't take anything I say the wrong way. My whole point is that the law is fine - this guy is abusing what this law is supposed to be for - I know, I know talk to my congressmen. This law is supposed to be an added chance at justice for a victim and/or their family, not for an irresponsible person to make a buck, or at least that is how I've heard people (articles I've read about it and times it was used). It just burns me that here is someone who made a mistake and wants someone else to pay for it. To me, if this guys wins anything, it is setting a dangerous precedent. Now I will shut up...

Nothing like twisting a statement into something that wasn't said, huh Tex?

Puppy smuggling? (I've forgotten what this might be referring to...) I don't endorse castration, but if you are going to cheat on your wife, you better think about how she's going to react when she finds out. Some women don't care and others become irate. But seriously, if a man doesn't cheat, the chances a man and his penis will become separted decreases significantly.

That would mean he was taking responsibility for his actions. I understand that there should be some form of punishment for the establishment for serving him when he was in that condition, but from what I understand of the law referred to several times in this thread, the law was made for those who were victims of the drunk, not for the drunk himself/herself. I would still like to know why this man should be allowed to make bank on his own inability to be a responisble adult...

588-2300

I guess that is a possibility, but why wait? At this point in time the Sox need to start getting some positive PR and this would definitely be a start...

Steff - do you know anything about this? Can you lend credance to this story or do you know if they printed it before anything was final?

No kidding. I've been thinking since I heard the news on the way back from the grocery store yesterday that this might be good for the Iraquies, but a bad situation for the soldiers there...

Aaaaahhhhhh....now it all makes sense about the font comment in the picture...

Other than the Yanks and Red Sox, who can really afford to give him this? I would imagine the Angels might try, but could they really afford to do so?

And they wonder why the budget is so tough to balance here in Chicago.

I don't think anyone said she was wrong - I know there are laws like that in IL as well. I think that they have a good point, but the problem is that they open it to people making a buck on their irresponsibility. The ability to sue should be limited to people the drunk injures, kills or if they cause property damage. Sorry to be b****y about this topic, but these type of lawsuits are beyond frivolous. It's one thing if someone/family of that he injured/killed/destroyed property to recoup, but for the guy to make a buck on his own stupidity burns me.

I've been getting plenty. Delete, delete, delete. The only difference is all of it has been porn rather than a combo of porn, mortgage offers, credit card offers, make your penis bigger offers, make your tits bigger offers, etc.

Don't stick it where is doesn't belong and your cock will be fine.

A drunk driver should NEVER be awarded for those actions, law or no law. He's lucky someone didn't die. If he wins, give him a penny. Hell, he doesn't deserve that. f*** this guy and f*** drunks trying to make a buck on their inability to be responsibile for themselves. One of them took my uncle (sorry, but Thursday is the 25th anniversary of his death and thusly, this topic is touchy for me).

Can you imagine the hits they would take for doing something like that? The guy would be a walking bruise from being thrown into the boards and wacked like the guy on the Ducks during the finals.

God forbid the guy take responsibility for his own drinking and driving. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS YOU PIECE OF CRAP!!!! Crap lawsuits like this really tick me off...

Ditto on that. Brian and I aren't married yet, but we've been living together for about a year and a half and we've had a couple fights, but when we fight we shout and yell for about 10-15 minutes, discuss for about 15 more minutes and then usually get to common ground and we are fine. Only once did we go to bed angry...okay, I went to bed angry and the next morning he was kissing my butt and saying sorry - he lost his temper about something that had nothing to do with me, basically someone pissed him off at work (OT on a Saturday) and he came home and took it out on me.

Ditto.