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QUOTE(Felix @ Nov 20, 2005 -> 10:01 AM) Pierre is a better leadoff hitter, but is not the better offensive player. Rowand44 was trying to explain this earlier to you. Would Juan Pierre be better in his role on the team than Iguchi was last year? Personally...I'd say yes...that is completely arguable. Would Iguchi be better in his role on the team than Rowand was last year? Personally, I'd say yes, but again, it's arguable. You then have to look at Pierre versus Rowand, defensively. Others don't agree, but from what I have seen of Pierre, he looks like a very solid defender in CF, probably underrated by some while being overrated by others. He has very good range out there, just due to his talent, but his arm is horribly weak, which would be a problem because there would maybe be 1 runner thrown out all year from the OF if a ball is hit to the LF gap, as Podsednik and Pierre's arms are about equally weak. Rowand is a very solid defensive OFer, all around...but he was not a huge key to the team this year offensively, but was defensively, and he's due a small raise from what I remember. The question I ask is...is the slight(IMO) downgrade defensively in CF worth the added offense along with subtracting what you lose? If it is, the trade is a no-brainer. As to who you replace Marte with in the trade...hell, try Munoz. Maybe Myers. Maybe KW seems another diamond in the rough very similar to Marte in 2002.

QUOTE(DukeNukeEm @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 04:43 PM) terrific trade for Florida. Gaining a .750 OPS bat in the best hitters park in the AL at the most premium offensive position in the majors who is due $3 mill next year, $4.75 mill in 2007, and $5.95M in 2008, along with a prospect, for a 12-20 game winner, depending upon health, and a player coming off his worst year ever who is normally a very? Horrible trade for Florida. Beckett, even as injury prone as he is, has much more value than that.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 08:50 PM) So your willing to bet a guy who hasn't sniffed 200 IP is going to win 20 games? I doubt it. He basically has to win every game he pitches. He's the definition of a wuss. He's Kerry Wood part deux when it comes to injuries. Since when is a sleeper pick something I'd bet on? The fact remains the guy's IP totals have increased every year he's been in the majors, so he's starting to better avoid nagging injuries. I could easily see Beckett winning 20 next year in the right situation.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 08:30 PM) Ick, that would be brutal. Lowell has $18 million left on his contract and while Beckett is a good pitcher, he hasn't even sniffed 200+ innings in his entire career. No thanks. His IP have increased his entire career while his WHIP has also gone down his entire career(with the exception of 02-03). Beckett, IMO, is a sleeper 20 game winner next year. Iit's hard to say sleeper when he has shown that he is a very good pitcher, but it's not hard when considering his health issues. You cannot worry about Pierre however until you know what is going to happen with PK. Once you figure out WTF is going on with him, then you can move onto other potential deals. The type of package I would not be surprised to see if the Sox were to lose Konerko would be to look to acquiring Thome and perhaps Pierre either at the same time, or simultaneously at the very least. The problem with both trades is that both teams are looking for similar types of players...both want OFers and both want relief pitching. Both are areas the Sox are deep in, but they aren't really deep enough to do both. I don't think you can give up Rowand in a Pierre trade at all. If you do, you are crippling any chance you have of acquiring Thome.

QUOTE(3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 02:37 AM) Please tell me that's not a Sox hat I mean...it's cool people are wearing it and all...but I'm not a huge fan of the stereotypical Sox fan being the type that pisses themselves. I guess it's better then coach beating white trash

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 12:15 AM) Just got back from seeing it. It was excellent and the best Harry Potter movie yet. The acting was solid and Ralph Fiennes deserves an academy award nomination for Best Supporting Actor because he was excellent. The SFX were awesome and the action was great. This is truly an action/Thriller at heart. Warning though: This deserved a PG-13 rating and young kids might find this scary. There is plenty of violence and some scary scenes. This movie was Top Notch. I actually heard people came away unsatisfied, due to a lot of details being left out. I find that pretty shallow, personally...you try keeping a movie under 5 hours and getting even 75% of the scenes of a 734 page book. It would not be easy. I lost my interest in Harry Potter after a while...it just became to childish for me, to be quite honest. But I did read books 1-4, and I loved them.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 12:31 AM) Well moving Delgado would be easier than moving the both of those guys. Plus, that means they get to keep those guys and save a mil, rather than trading them and keeping Delgado. I think Delgado will be a Met or Oriole next year. I don't buy it as easier. Sure, it's easier to get rid of a top 5 1Bman in the game with 3 years left on his deal, but you are not going to get market value for him. Getting rid of a solid CFer in his contract year who had a down year last year? Very easy to get good value, especially when teams have shown interest in him. Getting rid of an overpaid catcher who is rather mediocre overall? Very easy, especially when atleast one team has shown some pretty solid interest in him as well. No way in hell does Delgado get moved.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 10:56 PM) Yeah, it's not like he did anything in a Sox uni... Just came atcha with the blonde fro Not many guys are gutsy enough to do that. I JUST WISH HE WOULD HAVE HAD SOME CLUTCH HITS WITH US.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 12:20 AM) Well from Florida fans, I hear that they will be keeping Cabrera at 3B and moving Blalock to 1B once they move Delgado. Who knows though? I don't buy it. The fact that they are trying to move Pierre($6 mill) and LoDuca($6.25 mill) signals to me that Delgado will almost undoubtedly be a Marlin next year.

Delgado available? I think not If they are willing to deal Josh Beckett, who turns 26 next year, and Lowell while his value is at its lowest, for Blalock, who is solid but not spectacular, and a stud pitching prospect, then I think it shows they are clearly building around Cabrera and Delgado.

QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 02:52 PM) Rupe has looked pretty solid also. Not to mention Rauch could turn into a decent pitcher at some point in time, and Majewski was a pretty solid reliever for Washington last year.

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 10:58 PM) If Reggie Bush comes out from USC. Just think of him in the backfield if they can get him in the draft. That is the missing piece in that offense. A number of teams can get that #1 pick. One of them is not Philadelphia. I could see them losing out and still winding up with the 2nd pick in the draft; in fact, if they did lose out, I would see them 2nd at best.

QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 09:53 PM) To put it in perspective... 2006 White Sox Salaries: Dustin Hermanson: $2M Cliff Politte: $1.2M Neal Cotts: $330,000 Bobby Jenks: Not available, but likely under $1M Pretty sure their combined 2006 salaries will barely crack $4 million. And if Eyre's contract is what they are saying it is, he might make more than our big 4 combined next year. Ouch! Jenks = rookie = less then half a season =

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 04:03 PM) I wouldn't mind having Pierre in center field and having two speedsters at the top of the order. Iguchi could then move down in the order. But Pierre will make way too much money next year and will be a free agent after the season. This is exactly how I feel.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 04:00 PM) Since when has Chicago EVER been close to Florida?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 03:54 PM) IN 2000 he won though. Giambi cheated, so he really doesnt count. Last I checked, even though all Sox fans want it, Giambi was and still is the 2000 AL MVP.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 09:18 AM) I think, even though your preference is understood, you make a good point on who was more valuable as far as the offensive side of things. Ortiz probably had more to do with wins with his bat than A-rod. BUt this has turned into a numbers game, and A-rods numbers were better, and he plays btoh sides of the ball which gives him an advantage. But a DH can win it. Frank has 2 (3) MVP's. Thomas was the 1Bman for the '93 and '94 teams. He played 150 games at 1B in '93, and 99 games at 1B in 1994. It was George Bell and Julio Franco who largely DH'ed for the Sox during those years. In 2000, he did DH...but he again, came up short. A very similar situation to the ARod-Ortiz debacle this year, actually.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 12:01 AM) Has been on a decline would mean there are multiple season of numbers decreasing wouldn't it? I hope pierre hits .350 next year... with the cubs or not. Just to back this up... Pierre... 2003 - .305 1 HR 65 SBs(20 CS) .361/.373/.734 2004 - .326 3 HR 45 SBs(24 CS) .374/.407/.781 2005 - .276 2 HR 57 SBs(17 CS) .326/.354/.680 I see mixed results, personally. A good 2003, a great 2004, and a mediocre 2005.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 05:11 PM) In fact, I will assume that we are putting Pierre in the place of A-row. Pierre .305 .355 .375 A-row .283 .337 .451 So you are gaining a little more time on base, but losing a bunch of power and run producing. Also you are losing some fielding prowess and losing payroll flexibility. IMO the pluses for A-row far outweigh the pluses for JP. Pierre would be replacing Iguchi at #2 in the lineup, and his OB and speed ability help the team more in that spot than Goochi's mediocre speed and mediocre OB would. Goochi than moves down in the lineup, replacing Rowand's mediocre production from this year. Having thought about it a little bit, and realizing Pierre is making $6 mill instead of the 4-5 I thought he was making, I am obviously a little less in favor of it. That still doesn't change the fact that I think he would make this team better, rather than worse, and it doesn't change the fact that I would love to see him on the Sox...just not at $6 mill.

All thanks to Kenny Lofton and the San Francisco Giants. Sox still have Diaz...who are they going to trade him for to win the World Series this year?

QUOTE(SnB @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 07:24 PM) EVERYONE HATES US, WE WERE PICKED LAST IN KICKBALL We're the fat kid that always gets picked on over and over, and the one no one likes. We ARE picked last in kickball. We fail over and over again. Then at the least expected time...we come through and kick the game winning homer.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 04:23 PM) He was one of the biggest disappointments in all of baseball last year. Check out that on-base percentage. You want that, coupled with bad defensive play, as a member of your 2006 outfield? You can have it. According to this logic, the White Sox should have never traded for Jose Contreras, should have never signed AJ Pierzynski, and it also makes the Carlos Lee trade one of the worst in recent history. Pierre is coming off a down year offensively, and is a FA after the '06 season IIRC, meaning his value is at an all-time low. You bring him in for a solid, but not spectacular pitcher(I could see perhaps a package of simply Marte and Harris working for Pierre, to be quite honest...in fact, I almost view that as overpriced, but it's doable. Obviously, you would not make just that trade without trading Rowand, because by trading for Pierre, you then really kill any value Rowand had...or perhaps you increase it, with multiple teams going after him knowing he is available). When the guy is right, he's a .310 hitter, putting up 40 XBHs a year, getting on at a .375 clip, and stealing 50-70 bases(though not always at the standard 75% productive rate). I'm also not sure where you get this bad defensive play. His talent alone lets him catch up to balls he misreads, and while he has a noodle arm, a good arm is not a necessity out of a CFer. You just want excellent range, something Pierre does have. Personally...I'd love Pierre in Chicago. I'd hate to see Rowand go, because I love the guy, but by bringing in Pierre, you are satisfying Ozzie's thirst for more speed. You can then look to build Rowand up as a good hitter with solid power with just great defense all-around, and you either get a hell of a good package for him, or you use him as a bigger part of a package for another hitter. You then look to resign PK and go from there.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Nov 15, 2005 -> 05:39 PM) he plays in one of the best Home Runs parks in US Cellular Field and he probably only got 300 at-bats where he wasn't trying to move Pods over and focusing on hitting to the right side or giving himself up. Yet he still hit 15 Home Runs. So basically according to your logic, Podsednik was on base 300 times or so.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Nov 15, 2005 -> 05:38 PM) Have you ever seen him play? Speed is overrated. Good baserunning skills are more important...and from what I have seen of Vlad, he's not the best baserunner in the world. Besides that - if you're talking best all-around player, you're still probably looking in the wrong place. Beltran is the best all-around player in the game, I don't care that he got paid about $1 mill for each homer he hit this year. The guy can hit for a very solid average, has very good power, can walk and get on base, has speed up the ass and puts it to very good use, has very good range in the OF, and has a strong arm. I'll take either Pujols or Beltran before I take Vlad in both categories. This is taking nothing away from Vlad - he's a very good player. He's just not Pujols.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Nov 14, 2005 -> 11:05 AM) didn't he get into a verbal fight with McNabb before the Super Bowl? WHAT DONOVAN SAYS MUST BE DONE. THERE IS NO FIGHTING IN A LOCKERROOM ESPECIALLY WITH DONOVAN Good grief, arguments occur all the time. An argument won't take anything away from his year last year.