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QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Nov 28, 2005 -> 09:40 AM) do they really think he's ready to play every day? Yes, they do

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 11:16 AM) sure, i would also take miguel cabrera, a-rod, albert pujols... unfortunately we can't have everything we want AND fortunately we did win the World Series, and if we re-sign Paulie all we have done is replace Carl Everett with Jim Thome. Not a bad off-season's work. Since when have there ever been rumors of the Sox trading for Miggy, ARod, or Pujols?

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 01:04 PM) Rest them. As cool as it would be to go undefeated..winning the superbowl is the only thing that matters. One injury during a meaningless game and all the sudden there goes your shot at winning it all. Why does it not surprise me you are saying this? Someone on defense getting hurt, maybe...or perhaps someone taking a cheap shot at Peyton would be a huge blow. But Edge, while awesome, is not a necessity to win with Peyton behind center. And they have quite a bit of depth as far as receivers and ends go...Harrison, Wayne, Stokley, Clark...I figure they could afford to lose one and they'd still end up fine in the long run.

Moved. And all I can say is stay the hell away from Blalock. He seems to be very overrated by some around these parts. He put up a .750 OPS in the best hitters park in the AL...which is bad in itself...but he was also out OPSed by Gary Matthews Jr and Rod Barajas. Glaus is a guy I like a lot, simply because he is a "stat geek's" best friend, but he is probably the worst candiate to acquire right now. He's injury prone as hell, he strikes out a ton, and he has a horrendous contract. The risk far outweighs the reward with him. I think the option may be Pierre...or it may be someone else entirely who we don't even consider an option at this point. It's basically wait and see at this point. I will say I'm going to be a little unhappy if it is Glaus or Blalock though.

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 12:01 PM) I've fought this fight on here. I even appealed to Rob Neyer hoping a stat-guy would back me up but even he didn't agree. I don't know. I know he was one of the most feared hitters of the last 20 years. I don't care if he broke the clubhouse thermostat or not. He was just a force of destruction at the plate. As far as longevity, compare him to someone like Ralph Kiner. He's in the Hall and they are an extremely similar Offensive Comp. I'd agree 100%. A top 3 (feared) hitter in the majors for a span of about 7-8 years or so, including an OPS over .922 or better in 6 of 7 years, along with an OPS of atleast 1.033 in 4 of 5 years in the middle of those 7. Hell, the year inbetween all those years where he wasn't putting up huge numbers, he still hit 30 homers and drove in 116 runs - and that was viewed as a bad/down year. You'll get absolutely no argument from me on this except one for him being a HoFer.

I really would like to see "Jim Kelly's Heimlich Bowl"

QUOTE(Felix @ Nov 28, 2005 -> 10:13 PM) Jones 2005: 160 games, 586 AB, .263/.347/.575/.922, 51 HR, 128 RBI Thome 2002: 147 games, 480 AB, .304/.445/.677/1.122, 52 HR, 118 RBI I'd take Thome's 2002 over Jones' 2005 anyday of the week. Hell, I'd take all of Thome's seasons, with the exception of 2005 and 1991-1994, over Jones' 2005. (offensively at least, and afaik, Thome isn't that bad with the glove either) You are comparing pretty different eras in baseball, even if 2002 is only 4 years ago. Jim Thome was also 31ish in 2002, and anywhere from 26-34 is the prime of a player's career. Jim Thome is on the wrong side of that time period. If given the choice between Jim Thome and Andruw Jones this year, I would say to give me Jones any day of the week. He strikes out like hell, he has a hole in his swing, but he hits the ball with a ton of power, and has very good defense in CF. The fact that he's younger doesn't hurt either. Not saying I don't like Thome...

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Nov 28, 2005 -> 03:58 PM) I've said this a couple times in the past, but it needs to be said again. Hi8is rules. ^^^

QUOTE(qwerty @ Nov 28, 2005 -> 10:50 PM) His career .629 ops just makes me skeet all over the place. So how much does his career .626 OPS make you skeet?

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Nov 28, 2005 -> 09:33 PM) There is a former Sox player on that list that deserves to be in though...... Agreed. He is in the 500 homer club if he would have been able to stay relatively healthy for a few more years. In 12 years, the guy amassed career totals of a .295 average, 381 homers, 1239 RBI, 974 runs, to go along with .369/.564/.933 splits. Tack 4-5 more years onto his career, and he's looking at probably atleast 500, and perhaps 600 homers. He was easily a top 5 hitter in the game during his time. I just get the feeling on and off field issues will keep him away, along with an injury shortened career. I hope I'm wrong.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Nov 28, 2005 -> 09:15 AM) Anderson's ZiPS Projection Here is a different set of projections which Anderson is included in. These are less optimistic than the ones posted above. I see him doing slightly worse than the ZiPS. Not so sure I'd put much stock into those, or any projected numbers for that matter. They don't seem to give much credence into guys discovering themself and getting better as the season goes on. It's really hard to imagine Contreras putting up a 4+ ERA after how he looked in the second half of last year, and for the Sox, who had the best pitching staff in the league last year, to suddenly not have a single pitcher projected to put up an ERA below the team ERA last year is a bit obsurd. Not sure it's even feasible to have every pitcher regress in one offseason. The offensive splits seem fair for the most part(though a lot of them can be argued, for better or worse), but those pitching projections are horrible. From what I recall, BTF uses stats...a lot...and the Sox are a team statisicians seem to love to hate at this point. Rob Neyer was hating on the Sox huge after they got off to their hot start simply because they weren't putting up "Moneyball" stats.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 28, 2005 -> 02:20 PM) No the Cubs have not already acquired him...and there are sources saying their $100 million offer to him never happened. $100 to Furcal would be the stupidest move ever, and would easily be much worse then the BJ Ryan signing.

But what if I want it to say "For Aaron"?

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Nov 28, 2005 -> 01:22 PM) Pretty sweet overall. If Thome helps get PK back, the deal might be the best KW has ever made. Jose Contreras says hi. So do Geoff Blum and Willie Harris if you really want to get down to putting up huge runs.

Nothing like trading a category the Sox lack depth in(with that little depth the Sox do have being a playoff hero and arguably a Chicago legend) for a category the Sox have the most depth in. If anything, the Sox would trade Marte and a prospect or two for Pierre...but at this point, I'm not exactly sure what the Sox are looking at doing in centerfield.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Nov 26, 2005 -> 03:23 PM) The last three years, he's averaging over 11 K's/9 IP, and has put up ERA's of 3.40, 2.28, and 2.43. This is one of the top five-ten relievers in all of baseball. Of course, I do agree with you that this is way too much money, but Ryan is one helluva pitcher. Not so sure about top 5-10...his 1.14 WHIP the past 2 years, while good, hardly justifies $5 mill a year, let alone $9+. I figure, at the very most, he's worth $25, maybe $30 mill to a team with money. I think the Magglio Ordonez deal has been outdone...for now anyways. Time will tell which contract is worse, obviously.

QUOTE(TLAK @ Nov 26, 2005 -> 09:08 PM) If Willie was asked to become a center fielder and practiced at as hard as he does in the IF, I think he would become a very good CF, just as he has become a very good 2B. When Jerry Manuel put him out there in a string of games he got better everyday. He's got a jump and can run, he can throw. Willie Harris is a pretty good ballplayer. Very underrated by most. He can flat out play and he has a nose for action and excitement. Some team someday will get Willie Harris and see him succeed. He will be a spark for some lineup somewhere down the road...I just hope it isn't Minnesota.

QUOTE(TheBigHurt @ Nov 27, 2005 -> 04:52 PM) I really hope he gets really good. Could you imagine a knuckleballer on the White Sox? When was the last time we saw that? Hell, have we ever seen it? I'm not sure. QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 27, 2005 -> 04:59 PM) Charlie Hough. Pitched for us 91-92. Wilbur Wood too.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 27, 2005 -> 05:02 PM) According to This page, the Rangers Payroll last year was roughly $56 million at the start of the season. I lied a little bit then. They still had huge payrolls and were losing like crazy though too, as qwerty pointed out. You can also look at the Dodgers as a team with a huge payroll from a couple years back that ended up losing quite a bit. I tend to think it was 02 or 03 where they spent in the upwards of $100 mill or so and were pretty bad. And the Cubs haven't been awesome the past couple years with huge payrolls either. 2003 they were pretty good, but they went into the crapper pretty quickly.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 27, 2005 -> 04:03 PM) You can't give up El Duque in that deal. He's worth more than Tracy. POSTSEASON EXPERIENCE!!!11!!1!!!!!

QUOTE(traydragen @ Nov 27, 2005 -> 06:44 PM) can't really say anything about the White Sox shirt bc that's not important at all when it comes to something like this But it is. Sports can be a huge part of a person's life, and they bleed their favorite team's colors their entire lives. It also seems, atleast to me, that baseball specifically has this as well. Maybe that's because baseball is this way to me, maybe it just truly is this way, and maybe it is every sport in general...I'm not sure. The fact that he witnessed something huge, something monumental in White Sox history, something that hasn't happened since 1917 can help put closure to one's life. If he was a true, diehard Sox fan, then he witnessed something incredible, and it was a hell of an end. Sorry for your loss...many condolences go out. I wish you the best through these times, and it will get easier to cope with the loss as time goes on. Be happy and thankful he did witness a world championship before he passed, and that he was a happy man in resting for the final time.

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Nov 27, 2005 -> 02:34 PM) He's been on 2 different teams. The Indians had success before he reached his prime, as for the Red Sox, I certainly hope they win with the payroll they have. And the Indians had success with him hitting in the middle of their order during the late 90s. Also, teams like the Rangers and Mets still have payrolls well up over $100 mill and finish in the middle of the division. Manny was the biggest bat in the Boston lineup and was the most valuable bat, due to his protection of Ortiz in the lineup and his numbers alone. Regardless...he's not a cancer by any means. The guy hits the hell out of the ball no matter where he plays and he's great in the clubhouse..

From everything I've read about Hermanson's back, there is no guarantee he's even in the majors next year. You are looking at Hermy, Marte, and Viz as the potential odd ends.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Nov 26, 2005 -> 10:43 PM) I'd prefer Tracy because he's cheaper The DBacks would prefer him too

QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Nov 27, 2005 -> 10:53 AM) I hope you're right! I'd also like to see the Sox swing a deal for Durazo from the A's...I want to see a stronger bench in 2006. 1) Durazo's a FA 2) Durazo will start